The Blue Gi

I get a sense that the blue gi is not to popular.

As a Ju Jutsuka, I wonder why beyond the tradition of white?

Or is that all there is to it?

Thank you

to make it easier for people watching on tv

FINALLY the forum has a "blue gi" thread!

Stacey wrote:to make it easier for people watching on tv

FINALLY the forum has a "blue gi" thread!

I was planning on starting a blue "biker shorts" thread.

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Stacey wrote:to make it easier for people watching on tv

FINALLY the forum has a "blue gi" thread!

I was planning on starting a blue "biker shorts" thread.

biker shorts should have their own thread - one for each color or pattern

I know it was for spectators tha they adopted it to compitition, I was just wondering why after all this time there seems to be a hate for them or people appoligising for wearing or owning one.

Asking as an outsider though, so I have no intrest or intent on being pro or con about it as pretains to your art.

Never owned one other than a dark blue Kendo Gi that was permisable in a previous Dojo.

Bought one for my son because he liked the colour and the other boy his age had white. It does look good on the kid. 

Someone had to start the blue gi thread for you. 

Tai-Jutsu wrote: I know it was for spectators tha they adopted it to compitition, I was just wondering why after all this time there seems to be a hate for them or people appoligising for wearing or owning one.

Asking as an outsider though, so I have no intrest or intent on being pro or con about it as pretains to your art.

Never owned one other than a dark blue Kendo Gi that was permisable in a previous Dojo.

Bought one for my son because he liked the colour and the other boy his age had white. It does look good on the kid. 

Someone had to start the blue gi thread for you. 

In the 1970s the legendary Dutch champion Anton Geesink suggested a new pedagogical approach to judo. He argued that one of the reasons people had difficulties in learning judo, was that the classification of throws lacked scientific foundation and logic. While it is true that there are pedagogical issues with Kanô's suggested classification, the system introduced by Geesink was partly blowing smoke as it did not at all translate in learning judo skills becoming easier.

Another part of his approach included increasing the safety of judo, and what he argued as an improvement for refereeing. This he addressed by changing the colors of the gi from both being white into one gi being blue, the other being red. Geesink never was able to provide hard data or evidence whatsoever to support that these colored gi would indeed improve safety. While it is true that there were occasions whereas a refereen one cold not remember whether it was the person wearing the red or the white sash who scored, this could not entirely be eliminated by changing the color of the gi, since the referee might still doubt whether it was red or blue or white or blue who scored. Whilst Geesink's innovations has some merit they were also based on arguments which reflected a lack of comprehension of the original system. But Geesink did not take no for an answer, and with the kind of physical prowess he had he could also permit himself to do whatever he wanted, and he did not hesitate to make human victims all as a consequence of his propaganda. The very well respected Isao Okano fell victim and had his career prospects damaged without much of his own doing, all because Geesink would not let himself being stopped. In the end Geesink's plan did not make it.

Almost 20 years later though, part of what had been Geesink's idea, found new supporters, and though the red gi was never adopted, the blue gi became imported in judo. Interestingly though, few of Geesink's original motives, such as safety were quoted, and the IJF proposed the changes as improvements in terms of visibility and ability to follow the matches. While there might be truth to it, it is also important that the IJF is a largely political origanization, and regularly engages in tactics that have proven to work in politics. One of these tactics is to fabricate a rationale that represents something as positive for the people. It's not that different from how, for example, recently one could see Obama and Kerry after weeks of warmongering regarding Syria, after a Russian peace plan, attempted to propose the fact that no bombing campaign had started as their own success. IJF does similar things. In the 1990s the IJF changed the weight categories. The official explanation was that it would more accurately reflect current anthropometric realities. The real reason was that a coach was sleeping with his athletes, but one athlete refused to, with as a consequence the other athlete being selected, and thus serious legal problems looming. The only option was that the second athlete also would be able to particpate in another weight category (since only one athlete per country was allowed), but the gap with the next weight class was too large. So, they basically tried to figure out how much weight the athlete could lose while more or less being able to maintain that new weight. After that was established all other weight classes were shifted. That was the REAL reason behind the change in weight classes, but obviously the public and many officials never got to hear the real story.

With regard to the blue gi, there were serious commercial interests involved. After all, every serious international athlete would now be forced to buy an extra gi, which had a huge impact on the sales number of gi manufacturers. With the IJF that creating the concept of "approved gi manufactureres" and later even "approved IJF gi" a structure was cemented that essentially had a lot of the extra money flow back to the IJF or at least certain persons within the IJF. If one thinks about it, it was a relatively brilliant construction to fill one's own pockets.

So, there is far more to it than the untrained eye sees, namely a whole structure of manipulation, and self-seving monetary gains. The IJF later repeated the same strategy with regard to tatami, something that then was dressed up as the "dynamic border". The rationale was mostly absent as to why the dynamic border couldn't be created with classical tatami, or even a single color or tatami, but it did not keep them from being successful in making hundreds of clubs, federations, organizations buy new tatami. Within the IJF, bank accounts went up and up despite the looming crisis.

In terms of gi, we have previously devoted lengthy explanations about the culture of gi, and why practice gi in judo are and should be white. This is not a explanation I am going to repeat. Most aren't really interested anyhow, and it quickly evolves into chittychat, where cultural anthropology has to establish a dialogue with arguments such as 'cool'.

[quote="Cichorei Kano"]

Tai-Jutsu wrote: This is not a explanation I am going to repeat. Most aren't really interested anyhow, and it quickly evolves into chittychat, where cultural anthropology has to establish a dialogue with arguments such as 'cool'.

Yes this was discussed to death in the old forum but thats gone now so why not encourage a bit of "chittychat". This forum could do with a bit of banter at the moment as its pretty dead in here.

I do find it easier to make calls if one of the competitors is wearing blue, especially with kids. You get a kid with an orange belt wearing a white sash against a kid with a yellow belt wearing a red sash, easy to get confused. That's just on me as a newbie ref though.

Neil G wrote:I do find it easier to make calls if one of the competitors is wearing blue, especially with kids.  You get a kid with an orange belt wearing a white sash against a kid with a yellow belt wearing a red sash, easy to get confused.  That's just on me as a newbie ref though.

Must admit I agree.

I ref a lot, have even reffed one or two international fights and when both players are in white it can become very tricky to remember who scored.

Here we have one wear a blue belt and the other a white belt. No other belts allowed.

I much prefer when one wears blue and the other white, but only in competition. 

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Tai-Jutsu wrote: I know it was for spectators tha they adopted it to compitition, I was just wondering why after all this time there seems to be a hate for them or people appoligising for wearing or owning one.

Asking as an outsider though, so I have no intrest or intent on being pro or con about it as pretains to your art.

Never owned one other than a dark blue Kendo Gi that was permisable in a previous Dojo.

Bought one for my son because he liked the colour and the other boy his age had white. It does look good on the kid. 

Someone had to start the blue gi thread for you. 

In the 1970s the legendary Dutch champion Anton Geesink suggested a new pedagogical approach to judo. He argued that one of the reasons people had difficulties in learning judo, was that the classification of throws lacked scientific foundation and logic. While it is true that there are pedagogical issues with Kanô's suggested classification, the system introduced by Geesink was partly blowing smoke as it did not at all translate in learning judo skills becoming easier.

Another part of his approach included increasing the safety of judo, and what he argued as an improvement for refereeing. This he addressed by changing the colors of the gi from both being white into one gi being blue, the other being red. Geesink never was able to provide hard data or evidence whatsoever to support that these colored gi would indeed improve safety. While it is true that there were occasions whereas a refereen one cold not remember whether it was the person wearing the red or the white sash who scored, this could not entirely be eliminated by changing the color of the gi, since the referee might still doubt whether it was red or blue or white or blue who scored. Whilst Geesink's innovations has some merit they were also based on arguments which reflected a lack of comprehension of the original system. But Geesink did not take no for an answer, and with the kind of physical prowess he had he could also permit himself to do whatever he wanted, and he did not hesitate to make human victims all as a consequence of his propaganda. The very well respected Isao Okano fell victim and had his career prospects damaged without much of his own doing, all because Geesink would not let himself being stopped. In the end Geesink's plan did not make it.

Almost 20 years later though, part of what had been Geesink's idea, found new supporters, and though the red gi was never adopted, the blue gi became imported in judo. Interestingly though, few of Geesink's original motives, such as safety were quoted, and the IJF proposed the changes as improvements in terms of visibility and ability to follow the matches. While there might be truth to it, it is also important that the IJF is a largely political origanization, and regularly engages in tactics that have proven to work in politics. One of these tactics is to fabricate a rationale that represents something as positive for the people. It's not that different from how, for example, recently one could see Obama and Kerry after weeks of warmongering regarding Syria, after a Russian peace plan, attempted to propose the fact that no bombing campaign had started as their own success. IJF does similar things. In the 1990s the IJF changed the weight categories. The official explanation was that it would more accurately reflect current anthropometric realities. The real reason was that a coach was sleeping with his athletes, but one athlete refused to, with as a consequence the other athlete being selected, and thus serious legal problems looming. The only option was that the second athlete also would be able to particpate in another weight category (since only one athlete per country was allowed), but the gap with the next weight class was too large. So, they basically tried to figure out how much weight the athlete could lose while more or less being able to maintain that new weight. After that was established all other weight classes were shifted. That was the REAL reason behind the change in weight classes, but obviously the public and many officials never got to hear the real story.

With regard to the blue gi, there were serious commercial interests involved. After all, every serious international athlete would now be forced to buy an extra gi, which had a huge impact on the sales number of gi manufacturers. With the IJF that creating the concept of "approved gi manufactureres" and later even "approved IJF gi" a structure was cemented that essentially had a lot of the extra money flow back to the IJF or at least certain persons within the IJF. If one thinks about it, it was a relatively brilliant construction to fill one's own pockets.

So, there is far more to it than the untrained eye sees, namely a whole structure of manipulation, and self-seving monetary gains. The IJF later repeated the same strategy with regard to tatami, something that then was dressed up as the "dynamic border". The rationale was mostly absent as to why the dynamic border couldn't be created with classical tatami, or even a single color or tatami, but it did not keep them from being successful in making hundreds of clubs, federations, organizations buy new tatami. Within the IJF, bank accounts went up and up despite the looming crisis.

In terms of gi, we have previously devoted lengthy explanations about the culture of gi, and why practice gi in judo are and should be white. This is not a explanation I am going to repeat. Most aren't really interested anyhow, and it quickly evolves into chittychat, where cultural anthropology has to establish a dialogue with arguments such as 'cool'.

OK a neat history lesson , but it says nothing about why people here (some not all) really have an aversion to the thing and that's what I was looking for besides all the history above aside (and I like the write ups you do.) why do people feel that way. I was hoping for people's own reason.

But thank you for the rest of it and the history on it.

JudoStu wrote:

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Tai-Jutsu wrote:  This is not a explanation I am going to repeat. Most aren't really interested anyhow, and it quickly evolves into chittychat, where cultural anthropology has to establish a dialogue with arguments such as 'cool'.

Yes this was discussed to death in the old forum but thats gone now so why not encourage a bit of "chittychat". This forum could do with a bit of banter at the moment as its pretty dead in here.

THIS!

New forum, new conversations, not everything is an intelectual dialouge between those in the towers. There are truths in the gutter too.  

And yes, when a Ju Jutsuka is making half the new post (and I have what , 21 in a week or so) you guys gotta "Throw " it out there. ;-)

Pun completely intentional, low brow but I chuckled when I thought it.

Tai-Jutsu wrote:

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Tai-Jutsu wrote: I know it was for spectators tha they adopted it to compitition, I was just wondering why after all this time there seems to be a hate for them or people appoligising for wearing or owning one.

Asking as an outsider though, so I have no intrest or intent on being pro or con about it as pretains to your art.

Never owned one other than a dark blue Kendo Gi that was permisable in a previous Dojo.

Bought one for my son because he liked the colour and the other boy his age had white. It does look good on the kid. 

Someone had to start the blue gi thread for you. 

In the 1970s the legendary Dutch champion Anton Geesink suggested a new pedagogical approach to judo. He argued that one of the reasons people had difficulties in learning judo, was that the classification of throws lacked scientific foundation and logic. While it is true that there are pedagogical issues with Kanô's suggested classification, the system introduced by Geesink was partly blowing smoke as it did not at all translate in learning judo skills becoming easier.

Another part of his approach included increasing the safety of judo, and what he argued as an improvement for refereeing. This he addressed by changing the colors of the gi from both being white into one gi being blue, the other being red. Geesink never was able to provide hard data or evidence whatsoever to support that these colored gi would indeed improve safety. While it is true that there were occasions whereas a refereen one cold not remember whether it was the person wearing the red or the white sash who scored, this could not entirely be eliminated by changing the color of the gi, since the referee might still doubt whether it was red or blue or white or blue who scored. Whilst Geesink's innovations has some merit they were also based on arguments which reflected a lack of comprehension of the original system. But Geesink did not take no for an answer, and with the kind of physical prowess he had he could also permit himself to do whatever he wanted, and he did not hesitate to make human victims all as a consequence of his propaganda. The very well respected Isao Okano fell victim and had his career prospects damaged without much of his own doing, all because Geesink would not let himself being stopped. In the end Geesink's plan did not make it.

Almost 20 years later though, part of what had been Geesink's idea, found new supporters, and though the red gi was never adopted, the blue gi became imported in judo. Interestingly though, few of Geesink's original motives, such as safety were quoted, and the IJF proposed the changes as improvements in terms of visibility and ability to follow the matches. While there might be truth to it, it is also important that the IJF is a largely political origanization, and regularly engages in tactics that have proven to work in politics. One of these tactics is to fabricate a rationale that represents something as positive for the people. It's not that different from how, for example, recently one could see Obama and Kerry after weeks of warmongering regarding Syria, after a Russian peace plan, attempted to propose the fact that no bombing campaign had started as their own success. IJF does similar things. In the 1990s the IJF changed the weight categories. The official explanation was that it would more accurately reflect current anthropometric realities. The real reason was that a coach was sleeping with his athletes, but one athlete refused to, with as a consequence the other athlete being selected, and thus serious legal problems looming. The only option was that the second athlete also would be able to particpate in another weight category (since only one athlete per country was allowed), but the gap with the next weight class was too large. So, they basically tried to figure out how much weight the athlete could lose while more or less being able to maintain that new weight. After that was established all other weight classes were shifted. That was the REAL reason behind the change in weight classes, but obviously the public and many officials never got to hear the real story.

With regard to the blue gi, there were serious commercial interests involved. After all, every serious international athlete would now be forced to buy an extra gi, which had a huge impact on the sales number of gi manufacturers. With the IJF that creating the concept of "approved gi manufactureres" and later even "approved IJF gi" a structure was cemented that essentially had a lot of the extra money flow back to the IJF or at least certain persons within the IJF. If one thinks about it, it was a relatively brilliant construction to fill one's own pockets.

So, there is far more to it than the untrained eye sees, namely a whole structure of manipulation, and self-seving monetary gains. The IJF later repeated the same strategy with regard to tatami, something that then was dressed up as the "dynamic border". The rationale was mostly absent as to why the dynamic border couldn't be created with classical tatami, or even a single color or tatami, but it did not keep them from being successful in making hundreds of clubs, federations, organizations buy new tatami. Within the IJF, bank accounts went up and up despite the looming crisis.

In terms of gi, we have previously devoted lengthy explanations about the culture of gi, and why practice gi in judo are and should be white. This is not a explanation I am going to repeat. Most aren't really interested anyhow, and it quickly evolves into chittychat, where cultural anthropology has to establish a dialogue with arguments such as 'cool'.

OK a neat history lesson , but it says nothing about why people here (some not all) really have an aversion to the thing and that's what I was looking for besides all the history above aside (and I like the write ups you do.) why do people feel that way. I was hoping for people's own reason.

But thank you for the rest of it and the history on it.

You are never going to know "people's own reason" unless you talk to all hundreds of thousands of people in judo and ask them for their own reason. That being said, I am not sure that such would even be relevant. Having to consult every single person is not workable. If the US government for each decision it takes would need to consult with each of the +300 million Americans it would be impossible to achieve anything hence why they have representatives of the people to (supposedly) represent them although in reality those representative obviously have never met most of the people they represent.

Really, it depends on what one actually attempts to achieve whether it makes more sense to extract this information from every single subject in population or from a source that likely is to contain information every single subject in a population can't possibly possess. The two may have merit, but have a different purpose. In terms of sociological or pop culture kind of thinking the information from popular sources is essential.

Cichorei Kano wrote:
You are never going to know "people's own reason" unless you talk to all hundreds of thousands of people in judo and ask them for their own reason. That being said, I am not sure that such would even be relevant. Having to consult every single person is not workable. If the US government for each decision it takes would need to consult with each of the +300 Americans it would be impossible to achieve anything hence why they have representatives of the people to (supposedly) represent them although in reality those representative obviously have never met most of the people they represent.

Really, it depends on what one actually attempts to achieve whether it makes more sense to extract this information from every single subject in population or from a source that likely is to contain information every single subject in a population can't possibly possess. The two may have merit, but have a different purpose. In terms of sociological or pop culture kind of thinking the information from popular sources is essential.

Wow, that's an overly pedantic answer even by your standards, CK.

Tai-Jutsu, there are three basic reasons that people object to the blue judogi in my opinion. First, as you mention is tradition. People like their traditions, traditionally we wear white, simple as that. Second, the uniform is meant to be uniform. People who buy blue judogi for no reason other than it looks cool give the impression of trying to stand out, whether or not that was their intention, and that rubs some people the wrong way. The nail that sticks up gets hammered down as the saying goes. Finally, it's an overt symbol of all the screwing around with judo that has been done over the years by the IJF and IOC which doesn't sit well with with many people. I suppose you could boil all three of those reasons down to "tradition" if you like.

Neil G wrote:Wow, that's an overly pedantic answer even by your standards, CK.

Tai-Jutsu, there are three basic reasons that people object to the blue judogi in my opinion.  First, as you mention is tradition.  People like their traditions, traditionally we wear white, simple as that. Second, the uniform is meant to be uniform.  People who buy blue judogi for no reason other than it looks cool give the impression of trying to stand out, whether or not that was their intention, and that rubs some people the wrong way.  The nail that sticks up gets hammered down as the saying goes.  Finally, it's an overt symbol of all the screwing around with judo that has been done over the years by the IJF and IOC which doesn't sit well with with many people.  I suppose you could boil all three of those reasons down to "tradition" if you like.

Not really sure what is pedantic about this. You made it clear in your response that you were not interested in hearing what the philosophical, cultural anthropological or cultural-historic reasons were, but that you wanted "I was hoping for people's own reason."

I simply briefly elaborated on that being an entirely different objective, and what the merit might be. That has nothing to do with pedantic. If one want to ask opinions of the population then one obtains literally that what is derived from the population, i.e. "popular beliefs", nothing more, nothing less. And ... I have also pointed out that there might be some merit to "popular beliefs". For most of my work and research in judo, I can't really do much with popular beliefs, although I sometimes do describe and analyze them and contrast them with what really is at stake.

Look, in my work I am result-oriented, not avoid-stepping-on-toes-oriented. My interests in drama are limited to Kabuki, Nô, and Mozart and Wagner operas, not judo drama. One could come to one of my clubs and ask every single member there about training judo in Japan. All will give some response. You will then literally have the opinion of everyone in that population about training in Japan. Whether you attach any importance to the small caveat that none of my students has ever set foot in Japan, or speaks or read a single word in Japan apart from very common judo terminology, that's up to you. Or you could just ask me, or if you don't like or don't trust me, you could just ask NBK or Tsurumaki. Each of them is just a single person. But each of those are people who are fluent in Japanese, have lived there for a long time and have actually trained and experienced everything firsthand. Now, obviously that does not apply to any subject. If you want to know how trains work, then neither me, nor NBK, nor Tsurumaki might be a relevant source and we might all then be just part of that population who too participate in generating popular beliefs and there might well be people here who have operated a train for the past 40 years or who professionally have been involved in building trains. And then there are of course those areas in which no one really has expertise like ... "Does God really exist, and if so, does he or she prefer blue gi ?"

meh, the reason people hate them: 1. all local and regional tourneys require traditional white, but don't require blue. 2. blue gi cost more at all levels, 3. when you have blue gi and white gi, you invariably spend time looking like a smurf (mix and match pants and top), 4. tradition, tradition, tradition

the reason people like them: 1. blood doesn't show up as much, 2. your underwear doesn't show through when you turtle up, 3. they just look cool, 4. it drives traditionalists nuts.

Pedantic, as in overly concerned with minutiae. The original poster, I am sure, well understands he's not going to get the detailed opinion of everyone on the planet or even summary stats, he just wanted a general idea of why people dislike blue judogi, or perhaps to spark a discussion. Nothing kills a discussion like a pedantic wall of text.

Taijutsu is the original poster's username, which is whom I was addressing.

Neil G wrote:Pedantic, as in overly concerned with minutiae. The original poster, I am sure, well understands he's not going to get the detailed opinion of everyone on the planet or even summary stats, he just wanted a general idea of why people dislike blue judogi, or perhaps to spark a discussion. Nothing kills a discussion like a pedantic wall of text.

Taijutsu is the original poster's username, which is whom I was addressing.

What may to you appear as "overly concerned with minutiae" may or may not be to others, it certainly is not to me. I deal with precision and accuracy and correctness in my work, and I also prefer precision and accuracy from those I interact with if the option exist. If one is interested in merely random vagueness, one can find that everywere. As to the original poster, I am not him, so I am not going to pretend to know what he wants or is thinking. I regret to say that there is very much in judo that cannot be expressed in just a couple of words. What may be a "wall of text to you" may be a welcome information to others. In terms of discussion, some may be inspired by rather by the opportunity to learn something than by the opportunity to hold a chatting session and exchange dramatically sounding one-liners. I wish that most things in life could be acquired effortless, but I regret to say that few things do. Fortunately, one has the freedom not to read what one does not want to read, and I believe the forum even offers to luxury to choose to completely ignore specific posters if the demand on one's brain (or alternatively, one's endurance) is too much.

Tai-Jutsu is the handle. Not refering to any Ryu, if anything the genaric term in Japanese of "Body Skill of Fghting/War" " Skill of fighting with ones body (sans weapons). And I am well aware of the extreme splitting of hairs of words in translation among many. I'll show respect to Japanese traditions because so much of the main art I do has orgins there and that deserves respect and admiration to a degree, but not doing a Koryu or Daito Ryu formally anymore (I did the later for 11 years) I don't get too concerned past that cause even the Japanese themselves varry in attitudes and what they are cool with.

It's a good unsername I thought.

Why do you use Chichorei Kano?

Others,

Thank you for giving me your views.


And I actually don't mind how CK operates because many times he puts out some great history or info. Since I don't know him in RL, I kind of look at him as "Computer" on old Star Trek episodes. You ask a question, it gives you a stream of info and it's up to you to colate it.

Tai-Jutsu wrote:Tai-Jutsu is the handle. Not refering to any Ryu, if anything the genaric term in Japanese of "Body Skill of Fghting/War" " Skill of fighting with ones body (sans weapons). And I am well aware of the extreme splitting of hairs of words in translation among many. I'll show respect to Japanese traditions because so much of the main art I do has orgins there and that deserves respect and admiration to a degree, but not doing a Koryu or Daito Ryu formally anymore (I did the later for 11 years) I don't get too concerned past that cause even the Japanese themselves varry in attitudes and what they are    cool with.

It's a good unsername I thought.

Why do you use Chichorei Kano?

Others,

Thank you for giving me your views.


And I actually don't mind how CK operates because many times he puts out some great history or info. Since I don't know him in RL, I kind of look at him as "Computer" on old Star Trek episodes.  You ask a question, it gives you a stream of info and it's up to you to colate it.

Thanks, for the explanation. I had misunderstood the part of the post of NeilG where he mentioned Taijutsu. Instead of understanding it as addressing you, I had understood the sentence as "Taijutsu" being used pars pro toto in the sense of "In taijutsu we ..." which is what had confused me. I should probably delete that part. Sorry 'bout that, my mistake.

In response to your question about screennames, it is not a simply explanation, and though some know the rationale behind it, I have never addressed it online.

I thought it had something to do with your old avatar.  

Tai-Jutsu wrote:I thought it had something to do with your old avatar.  

No, nothing at all.

By the way, you may be interested to know that the original introduction by Geesink of the colored gi actually happened a long, long time ago: 1967, can you believe that ?

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Tai-Jutsu wrote:I thought it had something to do with your old avatar.  

No, nothing at all.

By the way, you may be interested to know that the original introduction by Geesink of the colored gi actually happened a long, long time ago: 1967, can you believe that ?

That's what I read above. 

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Tai-Jutsu wrote:I thought it had something to do with your old avatar.  

No, nothing at all.

By the way, you may be interested to know that the original introduction by Geesink of the colored gi actually happened a long, long time ago: 1967, can you believe that ?

goodGod, man, now you're slamming me! As a product of some sort of '67 waza, you are telling me that I occurred a long, long time ago.


The only thing that's missing is a galaxy far, far away.....

these are not the droids you're looking for (and you'll note, R2D2 is wearing both a blue and white gi)

Stacey wrote:

Cichorei Kano wrote:

Tai-Jutsu wrote:I thought it had something to do with your old avatar.  

No, nothing at all.

By the way, you may be interested to know that the original introduction by Geesink of the colored gi actually happened a long, long time ago: 1967, can you believe that ?

goodGod, man, now you're slamming me!  As a product of some sort of '67 waza,  you are telling me that I occurred a long, long time ago.


The only thing that's missing is a galaxy far, far away.....

these are not the droids you're looking for (and you'll note, R2D2 is wearing both a blue and white gi)

I think they now call 1967 the Pleistocene or something.

Evolution is not always bad though. Imagine you attempting to read the JudoForum on your 286 computer with 30 Mb hard drive and a handful of bytes memory over a 3,600 kb Modem connection in Win 3.1. It's from the days that people still used landlines as telephones, you could take two channels on your black and white TV, and if you looked up in the sky and you were lucky you could see an actual Boeing 707 leaving 4 black plumes of smoke behind on its way across the ocean all without having to make even a single fuel stop. Amazing.

On the other hand, wonderbras did not exist either, which is either positive or negative depending on how you look at it. Despite that evolution, no one today can make bottle of Chateaus Pétrus.

Do not despair, however. I am currently working on a scientific project to see if it might be possible to recycle people. If I am successful you could just hand yourself in, and I might be able to make a new copy of you, although I don't think I can give more than 6 months of warranty and no refunds.

Cichorei Kano wrote:
On the other hand, wonderbras did not exist either, which is either positive or negative depending on how you look at it.

I was curious about that - Wonderbra as a brand was first trademarked in 1935, and the iconic pushup model introduced in 1961, just in time for me to arrive.