Attempting to throw with one handed grip drives me "NUTS"

Many years ago when I was first learning Judo I tried to throw a good contest player with a one-handed grip.  Of course it didn't work and he put me in my place by saying: "Two hands for beginners .......!"  It was a lesson well learned and I never forgot it.

Fast forward 40 years ......  I now occasionally visit a club where a nidan instructor regularly teaches, what I regard as "poor fundamental skills" in the form of one handed grip attacks.  I am much more senior in age, rank and experience to this instructor and it drives me "NUTS" to see such clearly poor technique being introduced to a mixed class of children and adults.

Unfortunately an elderly friend of mine ranked shichidan is the chief instructor and never says "boo" about these silly and irritating techniques.  So far I have said nothing but never join in on the practice of these silly moves and simply teach a similar but more orthodox technique using TWO hands emphasizing kuzushi.

I suppose this question relates to any visitor at any club where poor judo fundamentals are being taught.  I wonder what some of my esteemed peers thinks about one's obligations of respect and civility as a club visitor vis-a-vis a more senior instructor's obligation to promote good judo?

Sorry to say - it is not your dojo and so it is none of your business. It would be very bad form to criticise the nidan teacher in front of his class or to wade in and correct his teaching. What you describe goes on everywhere, where lots of dedicated teachers have a very poor grasp of judo technical principles. There is also a trend for these folks to try and teach some of the more extreme skills they see at high level competitions to an inappropriate class - e.g. too young, too inexperienced. Also, quite often they do not understand how the high level competitor "really" executes the technique either.

You clearly feel very strongly about this so I would just not go to this club.

Found this happening at so many clubs on my travels, my pet hate is seeing instructors trying to teach kids "one" step taiotoshi (jumping) and watching students not being corrected with a near enough is good enough approach.
Most instructors like to teach their succesfull techniques this ones had success with fighting one handed so perhaps he's trying to create mini me's   seen it so many times over the years. Very difficult to address if you are a visiting instructor.

as a visitor you have to keep quiet, if it is bad just don't go back, if it is very bad just leave, if it is very very bad say why you are leaving   


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My question here is: ARE in fact ALL one handed techniques "bad" judo??

JFTW wrote:My question here is: ARE in fact ALL one handed techniques "bad" judo??

Of course not, well timed ashi waza can be done one handed and very effectively, if the opportunity and timing are appropriate.

What about makikomi, only one hand is gripping!

JFTW wrote:My question here is: ARE in fact ALL one handed techniques "bad" judo??

Why would they be ?  I have even seen people score perfect ippon with no hands or grips involved. I vividly remember a full ippon ashi-barai in the 1970s by a woman where the opponent flew a meter of the tatami and which occurred without grip. If it is possible to do perfect judo with no hands and with two hands, why would it not be possible with one hand ? I would only be concerned you would be performing techniques using your three hands.

JFTW wrote:My question here is: ARE in fact ALL one handed techniques "bad" judo??

No! Only teaching quick fix contest type techniques to beginners is possibly "bad" Judo.

Had lots of success with a low left ippon seoinage due to the fact as a light weight some of the bigger players would not let me get two hands on them. Also been caught in randori by CK's no handed foot sweeps a few times in my rush to get a grip    all part of experienced type judo.

I also cringe when high grades tell the session sutemi waza is bad judo,  its only bad when taught too early before the basics(the "F" word) all of judo's techniques have merit and need practicing, just some you take to and others not so much so as you clock up mat time over the years.