Cichorei Kano wrote:Davaro wrote:I cant understand this concept of people saying they don't like beginners throwing them.
Not to nit-pick, but surely if you practice proper ukemi, it should not matter? I don't give a hoot who throws me because I know how to fall. I think?
As the senior instructor in my club, I would always put myself "at risk" for a new adult student to try their first throws on. Because I know how to take ukemi better than anyone else in the club.
Anyway... as the OP says, it does, or should not matter WHO throws you....
Ben, me and a few others recently were discussing nage-komi on this forum, and so I was doing an experiment with it during teaching. I put my students in a circle, and one student had to go around the circle throwing everyone, followed by the next student doing the same. In this way I had a good opportunity watching all of them. There was no doubt that it were the white belts who were causing the most problems, due to lack of control and lack of coordination. A couple of specifics:
- ô-soto-gari was often "kicking the leg" of the opponent because there was no kuzushi, or because their toes were pointing upwards
- several black belts hurt themselves slightly because the white belts would forget to hold on to them hence the trajectory of the fall was not smooth but abberrant, and despite their relative experience some of the black belts could insufficiently correct for the lack of coordination of their opponent during the falling process.
- Because of the lack of coordination, lack of control, lack of kuzushi, lack of debana, the throw is aberrant in the time it takes, in the trajectory, in where the fulcrum is put, in direction, lacks smoothness, and lacks jû; the lack of jû is important and creates wrong throws and the wrong moment, superficial movements that resemble a throw but aren't the throw because they lack undrstanding the principle. Sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi and hiza-guruma instead become kicks in the shin.
All the blackbelts who I typically choose as uke to demonstrate something prefer being thrown by me instead of another student, even though I tend to throw hard. I always ask them if they are going to be OK, as they might have an impairment I don't know about, but they have confidence in me, even if it is a rare thrown they have never heard of or never fallen. They have confidence in that they will be thrown properly and will be able to fall properly. For example, I have never thrown anyone with ura-nage on his shoulder because I know how to do the throw, and what the mechanism is. But try teaching the throw to someone, and assume there are no crashmats. It's tricky, they don't yet know how to do everything and where to apply support/force and to what extent.
That's fair comment.
Perhaps I have just been lucky but Ive never been "hurt" by a junior throwing me and I don't hesitate to rather be the uki for a junior than letting same practice on someone not very good at falling. I guess that's what I meant? I don't mind taking those harsh falls because I can anticipate them and deal with it accordingly...
I agree 100% that a senior would be able to throw with more control. That goes without saying.
The only significant injury I have ever had (besides the toes and fingers) was a blown AC joint caused when I landed on my shoulder after scoring Ippon with a ko-soto-gake of all things...