I'm having some trouble with Sankaku Jime...

Ben Reinhardt wrote:

sydvicious wrote:

beyondgrappling wrote:Sometimes hip mobility has a bit to do with it because your hip does have very much movement.

Im pretty sure after watching a few bjj videos (and Ryan's halls breakdown above) and then doing it yourself you should be able to figure out what your doing wrong.

My question is that this technique is rarely seen in comp judo but it is still good to know the basics of a sankaku from guard

I've had a look at some BJJ videos and there are a couple of things I will try.
I don't really care if something will work in competition or not. I just want to learn as much as I can. I want to learn "real Judo", not "competition Judo". I will do the odd comp, but that is not what is important for me.

Edit: While looking at some of the videos, I also saw the Peruvian Nectie choke. It looks fairly simple and pretty nasty. Just wondering if it is legal in Judo....

Competition judo is quite real. Certainly not imaginary !

Actually it is imaginary. To use the amount of invented restrictions to produce what you see at the olympics it requires a great deal of imagination.

Ricebale wrote:

Ben Reinhardt wrote:Competition judo is quite real. Certainly not imaginary !

Actually it is imaginary. To use the amount of invented restrictions to produce what you see at the olympics it requires a great deal of imagination.

++ Agree totally. Modern judo rules make putting someone on their back on the ground exceedingly difficult; certainly not maximum efficiency!

Ricebale wrote:

Ben Reinhardt wrote:

sydvicious wrote:

beyondgrappling wrote:Sometimes hip mobility has a bit to do with it because your hip does have very much movement.

Im pretty sure after watching a few bjj videos (and Ryan's halls breakdown above) and then doing it yourself you should be able to figure out what your doing wrong.

My question is that this technique is rarely seen in comp judo but it is still good to know the basics of a sankaku from guard

I've had a look at some BJJ videos and there are a couple of things I will try.
I don't really care if something will work in competition or not. I just want to learn as much as I can. I want to learn "real Judo", not "competition Judo". I will do the odd comp, but that is not what is important for me.

Edit: While looking at some of the videos, I also saw the Peruvian Nectie choke. It looks fairly simple and pretty nasty. Just wondering if it is legal in Judo....

Competition judo is quite real. Certainly not imaginary !

Actually it is imaginary. To use the amount of invented restrictions to produce what you see at the olympics it requires a great deal of imagination.

  

sydvicious wrote:

Ben Reinhardt wrote:

sydvicious wrote:

beyondgrappling wrote:Sometimes hip mobility has a bit to do with it because your hip does have very much movement.

Im pretty sure after watching a few bjj videos (and Ryan's halls breakdown above) and then doing it yourself you should be able to figure out what your doing wrong.

My question is that this technique is rarely seen in comp judo but it is still good to know the basics of a sankaku from guard

I've had a look at some BJJ videos and there are a couple of things I will try.
I don't really care if something will work in competition or not. I just want to learn as much as I can. I want to learn "real Judo", not "competition Judo". I will do the odd comp, but that is not what is important for me.

Edit: While looking at some of the videos, I also saw the Peruvian Nectie choke. It looks fairly simple and pretty nasty. Just wondering if it is legal in Judo....

Competition judo is quite real. Certainly not imaginary !

This is going way off the rails now, but I'll try to explain again.

Yes, competition is quite real. It doesn't mean that you should just build your skills around what is legal/useful in competition does it? Unless your reason for doing Judo is mainly to do competitions of course.
Personally, that is not why I am doing Judo, so I'm not going to concentrate only on things that work in competition or are legal in competition. If it is part of Judo, I want to learn it. Everyone is jumping on the "real Judo" and "competition Judo" comments and tbh, I'm actually surprised by it. Maybe I should have said "complete Judo" or "total Judo"?

I respect the fact that you are learning more of Judo than what is legal/useful in competition.

However, the vast majority of physical Judo, at least what is most important in learning Judo and becoming skilled at it, has nothing to do with competing or not competing. If you understand that, then you are on your way, given sufficient instruction and practice, to being "good" at Judo. Or at least technically proficient.

Just don't get so hung up on specific techniques that you miss the bigger picture. Like stuff that is being discussed in the "Judo Vitruvian Man" thread.

The Omote Sankaku you are talking about is still quite useful in competition, at times. It's good to know, especially as part of the "sankaku" family of techniques.

If you want to master sankaku try doing a newaza session with Steve Gawthorpe, he is doing one at High Wycombe later this month but I can't find the details. Last time we did a session with him he allowed us to film and put it on youtube as a resource, it's still there but you would be better off learning from the man himself.