by Stevens Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:57 pm
Jonesy wrote: Stevens wrote:Can we say that Kawaishi sensei took the name Go-No-Sen-no-Kata (and the techniques) from the time he was in England (altough he knew that the roots were from the Waseda) and that Tani sensei made of the same sources (Ura-Waza/Kaeshi-Waza) the Kaeshi-no-Kata?
No. I do not think we can.
Ok, maybe i didn't understand the paper very well or i used the wrong words.
"Go-no-sen-no-kata"In the paper page. 111: The oldest document known to us that links Kawaishi and the
go-no-sen-no-kata is of British origin, and is the
..............."Exhibition---Go-no-sen-no-kata---Throws and Counter Throws M. Kawaishi and M. Otani"."Kaeshi-no-Kata"In the paper page 103, 105: This is important as it provides the answer to yet another major misunderstanding. For decades it has been believed in the West, ..........We are not aware of any authentic historic document in Japanese attesting to such a
kata ever having existed.
In reality
keashi-(no)-kata as proposed by some British authors and
judoka is a misconstruction by mainly non-Japanese speaking people who misunderstood
kaeshi-(no)-kata as supposedly ............., concepts well-known in Japan but of which terminology is not common in
judo outside of Japan.
My interpretation:The first verifiable appearance of Keashi-Waza with the name Go-no-sen-no-katä was 1926 at the London Budokwai byIshiguro Keishichi. After this event must these
waza have been the roots of the later famous Kawaishi Go-no-sen-no-kata and the, in England popular, Kaeshi-(no)-kata.
Questions are:
1 Where did Kawaishi hear the name Go-no-sen-no-kata first time?
2 Who created the Kaeshi-(no)-kata?
We know the roots are Takahashi from Japan. The name Go-no-sen-no-kata is from England. The both kata are not original kata as we know the Kodokan judo kata. The both kata have been changed from a set of
waza into a kata as we know of Kodokan judo kata. Am i right???????
Who can help!