Now that leg grabs are completely disallowed...

RidgewoodJudo wrote:Why are these rule changes just "accepted?" It seems the vast majority of the judo population oppose them, but grumble without doing something about it.

Rather than being passive and just accepting things we know are hurting judo, the real question is.... how can we mobilize to get the rules changed back?

(Edited to add Marote Gari as my avatar!)

RidgewoodJudo wrote:Why are these rule changes just "accepted?" It seems the vast majority of the judo population oppose them, but grumble without doing something about it.

Rather than being passive and just accepting things we know are hurting judo, the real question is.... how can we mobilize to get the rules changed back?

(Edited to add Marote Gari as my avatar!)

Cichorei Kano wrote:

nomoremondays wrote:^^^ Ref Above:

Why do the Japanese not withdraw themselves from the travesty that has become their art? Is it a sense of pride? It is their creation and they still want to show/prove how it should be done. Is it a sense of guilt? They loosened their strings of control and 'gave it to the world' and now their product is unrecognizable. Do they believe someday it will revert to what it was. A sense of inertia and corruption derived from the division between the kodokan and their national federation?
Any insight into their thinking? Into why they believe, as judged by their adherence to whatever passes as 'rules', that sticking with it is the best course of action?
The IJF is an easy target. But in a certain way they have my sympathy. They see it as a sport and are doing they best to make it so.
But why is there no backlash from the japanese. Are they taking the slow and steady, wait and see, everythings for the best, approach?
Bah! sometimes a problem is best solved by a quick stroke of the blade. Show some mettle and withdraw from this and possibly a large part of the judo world will actually fall behind them!!

That's an excellent question. I talked about this a couple of years ago with some people involved in the All Japan Jûdô Federation. The conversation was not started off by Olympics or so but by kata contests as the IJF started developing its own kata competition rules. I was told that the Japanese increasingly took the position that they did not care what the Japanese, and just did their own thing. They were very decisive in expressing this opinion. However, I must add to caveats. One, this was before Uemura was named kanchô, and some believe that Uemura made a choice that was not completely as expected, such as the evolution towards using dynamic border tatami in the All Japan Championships or the blue gi. In other words, it seems to me that those impactful words that I was told are not as solid as suggested and the Japanese resistance against the IJF has started crumbling. Secondly, there is a consensus in Japan that the single most important championship in jûdô is the Olympics. The Japanese know they can't circumvent the IJF, thus the only alternative is to give up on Olympic jûdô medals which before last Olympics was unimaginable, probably still is, but at least the man's team were forced this time to return without a single gold medal. My impression is that Japan is too afraid to cut ties with the IJF and emerge on a parallel pathway with a new federation or through the World Judo Federation and first accumulate world support before growing large enough to challenge the IJF hegemony within the IOC.

LeighJudo wrote:Personally I think that IF Sambo becomes sanctioned by the IOC, then a lot of judo players will jump ship over to Sambo. And we may find that Sambo looks like what judo looked like 10-15 years ago (rules wise).

Just my opinion.

radzfman wrote:

Cichorei Kano wrote:

nomoremondays wrote:^^^ Ref Above:

Why do the Japanese not withdraw themselves from the travesty that has become their art? Is it a sense of pride? It is their creation and they still want to show/prove how it should be done. Is it a sense of guilt? They loosened their strings of control and 'gave it to the world' and now their product is unrecognizable. Do they believe someday it will revert to what it was. A sense of inertia and corruption derived from the division between the kodokan and their national federation?
Any insight into their thinking? Into why they believe, as judged by their adherence to whatever passes as 'rules', that sticking with it is the best course of action?
The IJF is an easy target. But in a certain way they have my sympathy. They see it as a sport and are doing they best to make it so.
But why is there no backlash from the japanese. Are they taking the slow and steady, wait and see, everythings for the best, approach?
Bah! sometimes a problem is best solved by a quick stroke of the blade. Show some mettle and withdraw from this and possibly a large part of the judo world will actually fall behind them!!

That's an excellent question. I talked about this a couple of years ago with some people involved in the All Japan Jûdô Federation. The conversation was not started off by Olympics or so but by kata contests as the IJF started developing its own kata competition rules. I was told that the Japanese increasingly took the position that they did not care what the Japanese, and just did their own thing. They were very decisive in expressing this opinion. However, I must add to caveats. One, this was before Uemura was named kanchô, and some believe that Uemura made a choice that was not completely as expected, such as the evolution towards using dynamic border tatami in the All Japan Championships or the blue gi. In other words, it seems to me that those impactful words that I was told are not as solid as suggested and the Japanese resistance against the IJF has started crumbling. Secondly, there is a consensus in Japan that the single most important championship in jûdô is the Olympics. The Japanese know they can't circumvent the IJF, thus the only alternative is to give up on Olympic jûdô medals which before last Olympics was unimaginable, probably still is, but at least the man's team were forced this time to return without a single gold medal. My impression is that Japan is too afraid to cut ties with the IJF and emerge on a parallel pathway with a new federation or through the World Judo Federation and first accumulate world support before growing large enough to challenge the IJF hegemony within the IOC.

The prstige and international starture of the Olympics prevents Japanese Judo Federation from deviating from the IJF.

judoratt wrote:Is my opinion that the majority of the rule changes favor the classic stand up Japanese style of judo. The reason why Japanese are not winning as many medals is the advancement of worldwide judo.

radzfman wrote:... Others pointed out that upper body strength is going to count more than technique. the IJF has created " jacket-Greco Wrestling with trips".

radzfman wrote:I've read around that some of the mostin active players and observers lament at the fact that the limtitations of complete prohibiton of leg grab techniques limited or completely nullified ability to counter. Others pointed out that upper body strength is going to count more than technique. the IJF has created " jacket-Greco Wrestling with trips".

hedgehogey wrote:"It doesn't effect me so it doesn't matter."

hedgehogey wrote:Very "Mutual Welfare And Benefit"!

hedgehogey wrote:"It doesn't effect me so it doesn't matter."

hedgehogey wrote:The new rules used to benefit me, as my tokui waza is sumi gaeshi. Now, with the near loss of any ability to crossgrip, i'm boned too. Regardless, it should be obvious that I never liked them. Let people play their style of judo, don't take the coward's way out and try to legislate it away.

hedgehogey wrote:The new rules used to benefit me, as my tokui waza is sumi gaeshi. Now, with the near loss of any ability to crossgrip, i'm boned too. Regardless, it should be obvious that I never liked them. Let people play their style of judo, don't take the coward's way out and try to legislate it away.