grasping the wrist - rules?

Hello.

In a recent randori session with a college team, one gent played some grip fighting with me. His left hand held me out, and his too short right sleeve didn't even offer a reasonable hold as he kept his right hand out of reach, as the sleeve cuff was somewhere mid forearm.

So, I grasped his right wrist from the outside, and when he pulled back it I pinned it against his chest and threw him with a modified ogoshi that one of my sensei loves.

Getting up he mumbled something about 'aikido techniques', but he didn't play the same afterwards.

It dawned on me later that I am not certain of the rules regarding wrist controls, not locks. And can't find what would seem to explain it in the rules.

No problem, totally legal!

I agree with exceptions;
If you grab the wrist to prevent your opponent from taking a grip then you will be punished by shido.
If you grab the wrist and do not attack then you will be punished by shido.
Note the recent IJF reguirement for taking a standard grip and for non-standard grips which wrist grip is and example.

finarashi wrote:I agree with exceptions;
If you grab the wrist to prevent your opponent from taking a grip then you will be punished by shido.
If you grab the wrist and do not attack then you will be punished by shido.
Note the recent IJF reguirement for taking a standard grip and for non-standard grips which wrist grip is and example.

A wrist grip being shido without immediate attack was not addressed at the last rather thorough clinic I went to. Must have been over looked.

So basically what constitutes standard grip? Sleeve-lapel? High collar?

However the ref learned to grip is standard grip.

That's facetious but not that facetious.

Mm, interpretations are of prime importance.

Standard grip as I understand it is one hand on either side of the body, no matter the position of the hands. Grab both collars, grab both sleeves, whatever. Stiff-arming or otherwise negative judo is separate from that.

This is just my understanding, happy to be corrected.

Neil G wrote:Standard grip as I understand it is one hand on either side of the body, no matter the position of the hands. Grab both collars, grab both sleeves, whatever. Stiff-arming or otherwise negative judo is separate from that.

This is just my understanding, happy to be corrected.

Correct as long as you use the grip offensively and don't use it to keep uke away. Oh yea it was rondori don't sweat the little points, just kick his butt. Job well done.

My guess is that "standard grip" is going to be one of those things that will be confused and mis-applied for years to come. With all the energy about prohibitions against touching below the waist ... which sounds like a more appropriate rule for a high school dance ... with all that angst there are things hidden in the last two sets of rule changes that are going to lead to even more inappropriate and un-judo-like referee interventions. My guess is that this is one.

No? Think about how often people still get confused about "no standing armbars" ... and that rule was put in at least one generation ago.

wait, standing armbars are illegal? I love those! if they take a high collar grip with their elbow pointing upward, thanks for the ippon! I can't do that anymore?

Mr. Natural ...

... when you visit San Shi Dojo on the 4th of May ... let us demonstrate the "5 on 2" and the "floppy."

Both excellent techniques to establish kuzushi, unmentioned in the unwrittten rules of randori.