I am waiting for the ever pedantic CK to return from the beyond to tell us what it is and isn't.
Meanwhile:
Meanwhile:
NBK wrote:I think the former.
'Grading' in Japan for juniors is very different from Europe or the US. It's very simple - when sensei thinks you're ready, you have a couple of competition points under your belt, and appropriate time, you start learning Nage no Kata with a similar sized / aged partner. Then perform it. That's about it.
classicschmosby wrote:NBK wrote:I think the former.
'Grading' in Japan for juniors is very different from Europe or the US. It's very simple - when sensei thinks you're ready, you have a couple of competition points under your belt, and appropriate time, you start learning Nage no Kata with a similar sized / aged partner. Then perform it. That's about it.
Is the technical examination portion of a grading in Japan primarily/ completely kata focused then? As opposed to the wider individual technique basis that seems to be more common worldwide.
NBK wrote:I think folks are over thinking this.
Seems to me to simply be a way to introduce ukemi and throws in a non-threatening manner.
Doesn't mean anyone has to memorize it - just show the patterns and have the kids follow it.
NBK wrote:classicschmosby wrote:NBK wrote:I think the former.
'Grading' in Japan for juniors is very different from Europe or the US. It's very simple - when sensei thinks you're ready, you have a couple of competition points under your belt, and appropriate time, you start learning Nage no Kata with a similar sized / aged partner. Then perform it. That's about it.
Is the technical examination portion of a grading in Japan primarily/ completely kata focused then? As opposed to the wider individual technique basis that seems to be more common worldwide.
Yes.
Here's the entire system in Japanese.
http://kodokanjudoinstitute.org/activity/grade/
As I read it, requirements for shodan:
≥ 14 years of age
≥10 points in competition
≥1 year practice
Hand, hip and leg technique portions of Nage no Kata performed well enough.
The Japanese see dan grades very differently from the rest of the judo world. All the complicated series of technique demonstrations, written tests, years of slogging through clinics, etc. don't exist here.
Y-Chromosome wrote:NBK wrote:I think folks are over thinking this.
Seems to me to simply be a way to introduce ukemi and throws in a non-threatening manner.
Doesn't mean anyone has to memorize it - just show the patterns and have the kids follow it.
If this is the case, why present it as a kata?
Why not just present it as a syllabus or a program?
Lots of us have been using modified waza for different age and experience groups for decades. This is nothing new. What we can't all see is the objective of putting those things together as a "kata" which introduces a whole lot of kata baggage that may subvert the intention of the program.
I'm just asking the question for discussion's sake. I understand you're not responsible for this nor necessarily privy to all the background details.
cokiee wrote:
Just wondering - could it be that we're overthinking what a kata is, i.e., must be in a very stern, fixed form, etc. Whereas it's actually just .. 'a syllabus/programme'?
NBK wrote:
I think what is slightly unsettling to me about the video is the very precise movement seems like exactly what you would try not teach children, but if you look, it seems to address those issues that you need with chlldren - get over fear of big falls from seoinage by stepping forward into the fall, practice balance and control for osotogari by rocking 2-3 times then throwing, etc. Also bear in mind they're demonstrating to a senior bunch of foreign judoka so they want to seem polished, I'd think.
Yes - there is no demonstration of individual waza, or combination or counter techniques etc.classicschmosby wrote:NBK wrote:I think the former.
'Grading' in Japan for juniors is very different from Europe or the US. It's very simple - when sensei thinks you're ready, you have a couple of competition points under your belt, and appropriate time, you start learning Nage no Kata with a similar sized / aged partner. Then perform it. That's about it.
Is the technical examination portion of a grading in Japan primarily/ completely kata focused then? As opposed to the wider individual technique basis that seems to be more common worldwide.
Kata in judo can be interpreted as any practice that has a prearranged outcome.Y-Chromosome wrote:NBK wrote:I think folks are over thinking this.
Seems to me to simply be a way to introduce ukemi and throws in a non-threatening manner.
Doesn't mean anyone has to memorize it - just show the patterns and have the kids follow it.
If this is the case, why present it as a kata?
Why not just present it as a syllabus or a program?
Lots of us have been using modified waza for different age and experience groups for decades. This is nothing new. What we can't all see is the objective of putting those things together as a "kata" which introduces a whole lot of kata baggage that may subvert the intention of the program.
I'm just asking the question for discussion's sake. I understand you're not responsible for this nor necessarily privy to all the background details.
I could not even say how many kyu grades there are in the Japanese system, but if asked i would say about 3. It is more about mudansha (those without dan) and yudansha (those with dan). Rarely did I see an adult in a coloured belt, not even brown. I sometimes saw children in coloured belts, but nit many difference colours....classicschmosby wrote:Thank you, are the kyu grades across japan standardised and if so do you have anywhere I could read those?
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