judoratt wrote:
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How dare you!!!!!
I am sorry you feel so upset about this, it was not my intention.
I disagree with Hanon that this should be discussed in secret, I think it affects the whole of the forum mebership and should be dicussed in the open. To put this into perspective we need to know
Before I turned it off I had been getting PM's complaining about it's misuse. I did alter the system for a bit by making the system available only to people with a certain amount of posts. This was a short term fix and did not stop me receiving complaints.
I have been busy this week and didn't have time to deal with it, so the easy thing to do was turn it off until I found some time to come up with an alternative.
I have now sorted out a compromise which I am running past the admin team. With any luck it will be up and running later.
I very much doubt every one will be happy with it, and I'm sure that those who want to abuse it will, but hopefully it will not cause too much concern if it is abused.
Looks like we're back to the same old Judo Forum B.S. politics. Who's forum is this? Is it yours, does it belong to only to Carlo, or does this Judo Forum belong to the collective group of members? I really don't know. I thought it belonged to all of us as it is a collective group of individuals that make or break a particular forum. Maybe it really belongs to Carlo. I've only had one interaction with him. He asked me to remove my old avatar and I was glad to do so. He was very nice about it. One or two people complain about it and a feature that most of the users liked was taken away. Why? Why is it Bullshido and Jiu Jitsu Forums can manage themselves just fine with a rating system and we can't?Jonesy wrote:Why do you think that the wishes of the majority are relevant? Do you think the majority wanted Judo Sensei to sell the old JFK to a commercial company? Do you think that those who provided the unique and differentiating content of the JF (which was what made it successful) were asked - and it was not Judo Sensei who provided that? Let Carlo run this as he sees fit.......sodo wrote:
Maybe people don't think it is a pathetic little topic, especially when the members were asked and a clear majority were infavour of the system, agreement was reached and then without warning the wishes of the majority were just sh@t upon.
Gus wrote: We had an extensive discussion and vote about the +/- feature and it was a compromise over permanent cumulative rankings. It is disappointing to see it removed on the behalf of what I am pretty sure is only one or two members when the vast majority is in favor. Disagreeing with a "-" is not an abuse - it might just mean you are busy .
I think it is curious that some say anonymity is to be encouraged so that you can freely express your view yet this seems not to be the case with regard to the +/-.
Hanon wrote:Gus wrote: We had an extensive discussion and vote about the +/- feature and it was a compromise over permanent cumulative rankings. It is disappointing to see it removed on the behalf of what I am pretty sure is only one or two members when the vast majority is in favor. Disagreeing with a "-" is not an abuse - it might just mean you are busy .
I think it is curious that some say anonymity is to be encouraged so that you can freely express your view yet this seems not to be the case with regard to the +/-.
I agree. I think it should be a rule here that we all have to send you official documentation regarding rank and identity plus our CV. As copies can be forged etc, I think it important that such documents be sent and returned to the membership using registered post. When we pass this rule where should we send our registered post to?
It is time to stop all this and go for total transparency. It appears THE only way forward here. Then we all know who we are and what our rank is etc.
Mike
Gus wrote:Hanon wrote:Gus wrote: We had an extensive discussion and vote about the +/- feature and it was a compromise over permanent cumulative rankings. It is disappointing to see it removed on the behalf of what I am pretty sure is only one or two members when the vast majority is in favor. Disagreeing with a "-" is not an abuse - it might just mean you are busy .
I think it is curious that some say anonymity is to be encouraged so that you can freely express your view yet this seems not to be the case with regard to the +/-.
I agree. I think it should be a rule here that we all have to send you official documentation regarding rank and identity plus our CV. As copies can be forged etc, I think it important that such documents be sent and returned to the membership using registered post. When we pass this rule where should we send our registered post to?
It is time to stop all this and go for total transparency. It appears THE only way forward here. Then we all know who we are and what our rank is etc.
Mike
or... allow complete anonymity , including the +/- , it just seems a wee bit inconsistent otherwise. The same arguments used to justify anonymity (freedom of thought without persecution etc) can also be used for the + / - function.
Hanon wrote:
The two are not the same but this has been done to death, enough already. lets do this professionally and have full transparency and disclosure. It is the only way to avoid topics of identity and rank and the paranoia that is in a judo forum. If we are too intellectually challenged to read a post and reply to the post without the use of +- and what rank we are and who we are then lets do it properly and in one swoop cut out all the nonsense. Why not?
BTW how are your studies doing?
Mike
Gus wrote:Hanon wrote:
The two are not the same but this has been done to death, enough already. lets do this professionally and have full transparency and disclosure. It is the only way to avoid topics of identity and rank and the paranoia that is in a judo forum. If we are too intellectually challenged to read a post and reply to the post without the use of +- and what rank we are and who we are then lets do it properly and in one swoop cut out all the nonsense. Why not?
BTW how are your studies doing?
Mike
Grand grand. Anyway yes it has been discussed a lot previously - and the result of these previous discussions was a large majority vote for some sort of ranking system , if not on the profile then the posts .
One of the main arguments for allowing posters to post anonymously online is that they can express their opinion freely without fear of reprisals or with any reference to their true identity - why then should the same not apply to the + / - function ? it is after all another way of expressing your opinion albeit less concisely.
I dont really see how it can be abused as it only goes on posts not profiles - of course you can delete an offensive post - but not a red mark, however opposing the system on these grounds seems a bit daft to me - what of the odd red mark ? As Neil pointed out it also allows posters who feel too intimidated to disagree with a prominent or aggressive poster to do so without being flamed to death - this is healthy in the same way a secret ballot is healthy in elections. Besides not everyone has time to write a 3 page essay for every post ! bearing this in mind - back to work....
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