by Taiobroshi Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:51 pm
Hey guys! I'm glad some of you have grasped the point of this topic, which is to uncover the reasoning behind person biases towards one art vs. another. Obviously this site is all judoka as heikojr stated, but that is not a problem. Anybody can answer and discuss a question about "surprise" or "expectations." The question is vague on purpose, to save you the trouble of deeply analyzing your instinctual reaction to either scenario. After said reaction, how would rationalize what you just saw?
In my case, I am much more likely to assume that a BJJ player who has thrown a judoka for ippon has cross-trained than vice-versa. My perception of BJJ players (as well as judo players who are focused on newaza), is that they tend to have a compulsive obsession with the details of groundwork. The feedback loop of newaza is both smaller and easier to understand than that of tachi waza, meaning that the experience of learning newaza feels more rewarding. Tell a person who has done BJJ for one year and a person who has done judo for one year to write down what they've learned and you'd probably find the BJJ'er will have more to write about, even though they will have logically learned an equivalent amount of "stuff." Groundwork gives you more to think about, but if that goes too far you don't end up with enough time to properly practice stand up technique. The way I've seen stand up treated in BJJ is a speed bump towards entering into groundwork, which is why things like pulling guard become prevalent in competition even if their utility in other contexts is low.
That's my line of thinking, as a shameless moocher of the University BJJ club! As far as my reaction to seeing a judo player submit a BJJ black belt, I would be most if they submitted their opponent from the bottom... especially at high-levels, even BJJ black belts have trouble submitting off their backs (most subs come from mount/the back).