
She crooks the leg like in kawazu-gake but throws upwards and around with a grip like hikikomi-gaeshi (old obi-tori-gaeshi variation).
Ricebale wrote:"Obviv" in Sambo, means grapevine, it is a very common throw in Sambo and Freestyle wrestling, I thought it was illegal in Judo
without the grapevine it is a leg propped half suplex or hip spring ithink tthe judo name might be a reverse Hanegoshi
Ryvai wrote:Ricebale wrote:"Obviv" in Sambo, means grapevine, it is a very common throw in Sambo and Freestyle wrestling, I thought it was illegal in Judo
without the grapevine it is a leg propped half suplex or hip spring ithink tthe judo name might be a reverse Hanegoshi
Thanks for that video Ricebale. Performing kawazu-gake is illegal as it is dangerous to land on top of uke in that particular throw. grapevining the leg can be done legally in many ways, like the henka of hane-goshi shown by Daigo sensei in the book Kodokan Throwing techniques or Yama-arashi (Daigo has explained that you are supposed to grapevine the leg with your big toe barely touching the mat behind uke's heel)
It cannot possibly imagine this being a form of hane-goshi Ricebale, and there's certainly nothing called "reverse"-Hane-goshi, but I know what you mean, hehe ^_^
Ryvai wrote:Ricebale wrote:"Obviv" in Sambo, means grapevine, it is a very common throw in Sambo and Freestyle wrestling, I thought it was illegal in Judo
without the grapevine it is a leg propped half suplex or hip spring ithink tthe judo name might be a reverse Hanegoshi
Thanks for that video Ricebale. Performing kawazu-gake is illegal as it is dangerous to land on top of uke in that particular throw. grapevining the leg can be done legally in many ways, like the henka of hane-goshi shown by Daigo sensei in the book Kodokan Throwing techniques or Yama-arashi (Daigo has explained that you are supposed to grapevine the leg with your big toe barely touching the mat behind uke's heel)
It cannot possibly imagine this being a form of hane-goshi Ricebale, and there's certainly nothing called "reverse"-Hane-goshi, but I know what you mean, hehe ^_^
judoratt wrote:The Kawazu gake I have seen was a back to front attack and finish, with a similar leg wrap. The attack starts almost chest to chest and finishes chest to chest my guess is that the referee may have saw o ochi gari. What do you think.![]()
BTW CK When I tore my miniscus it made no sound, when I blew out my acl it popped, and when I broke my tib. fib. it snapped you could say it cracked verry loud you could hear it two mats away.![]()
Cichorei Kano wrote:Hansoku-make should have been the result in the video, and letting something like that pass, sends a bad, bad signal. It is something so obvious that one wonders how a referee could not notices.
fredlinux wrote:Cichorei Kano wrote:Hansoku-make should have been the result in the video, and letting something like that pass, sends a bad, bad signal. It is something so obvious that one wonders how a referee could not notices.
Kawazu-gake as a forward technique is valid. Only a backward technique is a case for hansoku-make.
Without the leg entanglement, this technique is informally called Khabareli pick up.
Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
beyondgrappling wrote:Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
I thought for an anti pickup you would do a kouchi not a grape vine? With a grape vine they can still do the uchimata ride and roll counter (others call it stretchy...I don't know what it's called)
Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
beyondgrappling wrote:Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
I thought for an anti pickup you would do a kouchi not a grape vine? With a grape vine they can still do the uchimata ride and roll counter (others call it stretchy...I don't know what it's called)
judoratt wrote:beyondgrappling wrote:Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
I thought for an anti pickup you would do a kouchi not a grape vine? With a grape vine they can still do the uchimata ride and roll counter (others call it stretchy...I don't know what it's called)
I regularly use a Koichi hook along with a high grip to limit and or control a pick up from uchimata or harai.
judoratt wrote:Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
So at the world sambo championships at least 18 people died?![]()
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Ricebale wrote:beyondgrappling wrote:Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
I thought for an anti pickup you would do a kouchi not a grape vine? With a grape vine they can still do the uchimata ride and roll counter (others call it stretchy...I don't know what it's called)
^ try a Ko Uchi me and you will go flying
The grapevine prevents extention of the back and therefore prevents the lift, I note just about every Australian judoka gets picked up a lot in all sorts of combat sports, this lack of basic technique could be why
beyondgrappling wrote:Ricebale wrote:beyondgrappling wrote:Ricebale wrote:At the Sambo world's last year 18 people died from this technique and a further 347 were hospitalized, it's really dangerous.
In other news every judo a I spar with falls for it with little effort on my part and no resulting inuries, I teach this one as a beginners move as part of the anti pick up to counter combo.
I thought for an anti pickup you would do a kouchi not a grape vine? With a grape vine they can still do the uchimata ride and roll counter (others call it stretchy...I don't know what it's called)
^ try a Ko Uchi me and you will go flying
The grapevine prevents extention of the back and therefore prevents the lift, I note just about every Australian judoka gets picked up a lot in all sorts of combat sports, this lack of basic technique could be why
yes but judoka cannot grapevine the leg therefore you will be picked up unless you can hook in for a kouchi. I did a video on it on youtube.
I'd love if you did a video on how to pick someone up when they do a kouchi because from my understanding it will be very difficult unless you can unlock your leg.
Ricebale wrote:The counter to the Ko uchi block is the grapevine by which you use that to complete the lift, you are placing your leg in the best position to enable the wrap around, but I think we mayhap be on different wavelengths here, without video it's hard to see the relative body positions to see the strengths of each method, cheers
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