The Spirit of Judo and the worldchampionship 2014

makoto wrote:Now the video is online on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnFevJJAKww&list=UUeYa3QaP2n7I8SpGSqD-kUQ

The fight between them starts at 17:00 min.

Ryvai wrote:

makoto wrote:Now the video is online on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnFevJJAKww&list=UUeYa3QaP2n7I8SpGSqD-kUQ

The fight between them starts at 17:00 min.

That was painful to look at, absolutely disgraceful.. how is it possible to not receive hansoku-make for something like this?

Ryvai wrote:

makoto wrote:Now the video is online on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnFevJJAKww&list=UUeYa3QaP2n7I8SpGSqD-kUQ

The fight between them starts at 17:00 min.

That was painful to look at, absolutely disgraceful.. how is it possible to not receive hansoku-make for something like this?

makoto wrote:Here some scences from the reapeage -66kg KHAN-MAGOMEDOV (RUS) against MA (CHN).

First KHAN-MAGOMEDOV is standing up with his foot on the stomach of MA and then he is pointing with his finger on MA, who is lying on the floor.

In my opinion this ridiculous behavior is destroying the spirit of judo!

There is a Shido or a Hansokumake for every little thing, but for such a behavior, which is against judo, there is only applause from the audience…

Judo is dieing on television...

GregW wrote:It's shameful.  Unfortunately children tend to emulate champions.  Sad.

BillC wrote:

GregW wrote:It's shameful.  Unfortunately children tend to emulate champions.  Sad.

That's true indeed.  

When was the last time one saw anyone gush about the quiet display of manners in an athlete?  No, those people are "boring" in most cultures.  Check out simple table manners among kids lately?  If they can't do that, if that's not what Mom and Dad are insisting on, then why expect any concept of etiquette elsewhere?  My previous statement had a certain amount of hyperbole ... but not by much.  "The System" tends to reward ... financially ... bad behavior.  Why?  Because it puts eyes on the event.  Paying eyes.

So while Sheldon and Dave can notice and comment, any real discouragement is unlikely.

What can we do in our dojo?

1.  Behave better ourselves.  For example, at the shiai are we shouting angrily from the chair trying to influence and control the game for the player?  Or are we there making sure our athlete is ready, then just taking notes for later review?

2.  Do we have standards of etiquette in the dojo?  Not because we want to show how Japanesey we are, not to "discipline" kids with thousands of punitive tasks to "toughen them up," but simply to establish the concept of intentionally following rules and habits in a group but of our own volition.

3.  Do we come down hard on jerks and bullies, no matter how "good" they are?  I mean really remove them from sight.  "Go home kid.  Tell your parents you are welcome back when you can behave in a civil manner?"  Most kids with behavior problems can handle physical abuse ... push ups, being thrown by sensei, etc ... most of the same kids hate isolation and fear abandonment by the group.

Finally, do we really teach the judo of Jigoro Kano, have we even bothered to learn it?  Or are we so enamored of the children's game of Olympic jacket wrestling that we make winning the only real goal?

... wrote:According to ZNKR (All Japan Kendo Federation) director Matsunaga:
Undoubtedly, if the player strikes a victory pose in a kendo shiai after the point is awarded, it will be withdrawn. Good etiquette is very important in kendo, and a victory pose is seen as discourteous behaviour towards one's opponent, so the umpires have the authority to withdraw the point.
From the shinpan rules:
If a competitor displays inappropriate behaviour, even after the chief umpire has pronounced a valid strike the umpires can, following consultation, withdraw the verdict.

Voice of Japan wrote:4. Riner’s manners

Last September in Tokyo at the open-weight category finals of the World Judo Championships, when France’s Teddy Riner lost by decision, it was reported that he was dissatisfied with the referees’ decision and left the mat without giving the “rei” bow. I wasn’t there to see it in person, but if the media reports are correct, it is a serious problem. Judo begins and ends with “rei.” You might have lost or disagreed with the decision, but leaving without “rei” is the same as starting a brawl.
Down through the years, judo in France has been taught as judo should be, so it is my expectation that this incident has not been overlooked. It would be strange if those in French judo circles did not caution Riner or serve him with a penalty, and could lower France’s reputation. Japan herself should have given a warning on this matter. Many young people and children learning judo here in Japan were watching through television and other broadcasts. “Judo Renaissance” has been emphasizing manners and respect. Japan should have lodged a protest. If Japan is weak at voicing her opinions on an international level, then she should join with France and speak out on this subject.

Yasuhiro Yamashita wrote:And yet, I understand that judo is not so popular in the United States, which is the most powerful nation in the world of sport. Is this really so?
In the United States, karate and taekwondo are more popular than judo. It seems that there has not been any live television coverage of judo from the Olympic Games since the Los Angeles games of 1984, which was when I won a gold medal. This means that judo is considered a minor sport in the United States.
How can this situation be changed, and what is required to make the sport of judo more popular in the US? I once put these questions to a vice-president of the giant media corporation, NBC. The answers that I got at that time included the need for the terminology of judo to be changed to English, that the competitors should show their emotions more, and that the nagewaza throwing techniques should have a points system.
In recent years, judo has been taking steps to make itself more easily understood by a global audience. These steps include the introduction of colored judo suits and the extension of matches. However, there is no need to suggest that English is better than Japanese in order for Americans to understand the sport more easily, although it I think it may be better to use a mat rather than tatami.
I believe that the essence of judo should be protected at all costs. This essence is composed of, “Japanese language,” “courtesy and respect toward one’s opponent” and an “attitude that sets great value on the Ippon technique.” If these vital aspects of judo are lost, then the sport loses all the values that it has come to represent. In particular, I believe that the values of courtesy and respect are a most important foundation of the sport. In judo, even if you are victorious, you should avoid all temptation to show off, or to celebrate, and should maintain self-restraint and composure.

Yasuhiro Yamashita wrote:
Why is that?
In judo, compassion and sympathy are regarded as important. This way of thinking comes from bushido, the moral code of the samurai, which states that one should warmly offer one’s hand in sympathy toward the weak and those in despair. Also, in judo, the opponent is never to be thought of as the enemy. If you have an opponent, then you have the opportunity to improve and to grow as a competitor. This means that we are always taught to hold on to the notion of respect toward our opponents.
“Courtesy” is the form that this notion takes in our way of behaving. It is not enough simply to attach importance to the defeat of the opponent. In addition, it is vital to show respect toward one’s opponent through courtesy, and this is the true essence of judo. A judo match begins and ends with a rei (the bow). I think it likely this structure is unique amongst Olympic sports.

Zankou wrote:You may be surprised to learn that in BJJ there are penalties for such things and they are applied even in medal matches.  In the BJJ World Championships last year, Ary Farias famously won the gold medal in his division, but then had it taken away for excessive victory celebration --- to his shock and dismay.

If it can be done in BJJ, which has comparatively loose and informal etiquette, I can't imagine why it couldn't be applied in judo competition as well.