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Richard Riehle wrote:I am on the threshold of turning 78. I still take falls, still do randori, and still go to the Kodokan at least once a year to get beat-up by the old guys in their 80's. I have not competed since 2009, but might compete again in a Master"s tournament if the opportunity comes around again.
No matter your age, do not stop training. I will continue until my legs no longer carry me from the locker room to the tatami.
hedgehogey wrote:All you old people who are still doing randori are an inspiration and should make the fat middle aged sensei who claim to be too old for it ashamed of themselves
How can you be fit if you don't have any stamina?TheWizardofOdds wrote:At 38 nearly 39 I'm quite possibly the fittest in my class. There aren't many twenty year old etc. but nonetheless I don't shy away from anything in class from the warm up to Randori.
However...I do find myself always countering and I just can't pull the trigger and attack. It could be that the Judoka I'm playing are all 14 stone plus (I'm 11 stone). I find that it drains my energy very quickly if I initiate the attacks and I end up being more or less rag- dolled. :lol:I definitely am fit but my stamina is very poor and this makes randori quite frustrating for me. Countering seems to be frowned upon but it seems that is how I get most success.
I really like Osoto Gari but it is nonsensical because I've never once thrown anyone with it, I just feel like it is the technique for me if only I could capitalize on the moment when I need to execute the throw instead of wait, wait waiting.
Ben Reinhardt wrote:How can you be fit if you don't have any stamina?TheWizardofOdds wrote:At 38 nearly 39 I'm quite possibly the fittest in my class. There aren't many twenty year old etc. but nonetheless I don't shy away from anything in class from the warm up to Randori.
However...I do find myself always countering and I just can't pull the trigger and attack. It could be that the Judoka I'm playing are all 14 stone plus (I'm 11 stone). I find that it drains my energy very quickly if I initiate the attacks and I end up being more or less rag- dolled. :lol:I definitely am fit but my stamina is very poor and this makes randori quite frustrating for me. Countering seems to be frowned upon but it seems that is how I get most success.
I really like Osoto Gari but it is nonsensical because I've never once thrown anyone with it, I just feel like it is the technique for me if only I could capitalize on the moment when I need to execute the throw instead of wait, wait waiting.
TheWizardofOdds wrote:Ben Reinhardt wrote:How can you be fit if you don't have any stamina?TheWizardofOdds wrote:At 38 nearly 39 I'm quite possibly the fittest in my class. There aren't many twenty year old etc. but nonetheless I don't shy away from anything in class from the warm up to Randori.
However...I do find myself always countering and I just can't pull the trigger and attack. It could be that the Judoka I'm playing are all 14 stone plus (I'm 11 stone). I find that it drains my energy very quickly if I initiate the attacks and I end up being more or less rag- dolled. :lol:I definitely am fit but my stamina is very poor and this makes randori quite frustrating for me. Countering seems to be frowned upon but it seems that is how I get most success.
I really like Osoto Gari but it is nonsensical because I've never once thrown anyone with it, I just feel like it is the technique for me if only I could capitalize on the moment when I need to execute the throw instead of wait, wait waiting.
It's poor in relation to my level of fitness. I can run, jump and throw with the best of them but I feel that I'm 'smoked' very quickly (In Randori), even though I'm fit. I know it doesn't make sense to me either, but I just feel that It's a stamina thing. I am however consistantly fighting people far heavier than myself so it's difficult to gauge if it is stamina. I'll know better if/when I actually come up against people my own size.
tafftaz wrote:hedgehogey wrote:All you old people who are still doing randori are an inspiration and should make the fat middle aged sensei who claim to be too old for it ashamed of themselves
Totally agree.
I am a middle aged "sensei" but judo without doing randori????? It's just pointless to me.
I am injured at the moment (might have to have an operation on my groin) so no randori or judo of any kind. But If I could not partake in randori anymore I would probably retire completely.
TheWizardofOdds wrote:Ben Reinhardt wrote:How can you be fit if you don't have any stamina?TheWizardofOdds wrote:At 38 nearly 39 I'm quite possibly the fittest in my class. There aren't many twenty year old etc. but nonetheless I don't shy away from anything in class from the warm up to Randori.
However...I do find myself always countering and I just can't pull the trigger and attack. It could be that the Judoka I'm playing are all 14 stone plus (I'm 11 stone). I find that it drains my energy very quickly if I initiate the attacks and I end up being more or less rag- dolled. :lol:I definitely am fit but my stamina is very poor and this makes randori quite frustrating for me. Countering seems to be frowned upon but it seems that is how I get most success.
I really like Osoto Gari but it is nonsensical because I've never once thrown anyone with it, I just feel like it is the technique for me if only I could capitalize on the moment when I need to execute the throw instead of wait, wait waiting.
It's poor in relation to my level of fitness. I can run, jump and throw with the best of them but I feel that I'm 'smoked' very quickly (In Randori), even though I'm fit. I know it doesn't make sense to me either, but I just feel that It's a stamina thing. I am however consistantly fighting people far heavier than myself so it's difficult to gauge if it is stamina. I'll know better if/when I actually come up against people my own size.
Q mystic wrote:...How heavy are you? How much judo experience? If you are new then it will come. Guaranteed. I think that more experience is key. Are you worried much about being thrown? When you vet heavy with ukemi, you will worry a lot less about being reversed and that will accommodate your commitment to throw. Being thrown is no big deal but if you throw, it is. Your throws, and more than just osoto, will come just fine. Guaranteed.
Ben Reinhardt wrote:...Stamina/endurance is part of fitness...it may be judo specific. YOu can be in what you think is good shape overall, but a specific activity for which you are not so well trained.
It sounds like you are new to Judo, so that would make sense. How long have you been doing Judo?
GregW wrote:Stamina for judo is very different from stamina for running distances. I go to the YMCA a couple of times a week during practices to do some weight training and treadmill/cross-trainer work. I mainly work on getting my target heart rate up around 130 bpm and keeping it around there for about a half-hour or so. I also do some interval training. That's how I survive randori. Intense gripfighting is a real drain on energy. Randori is much more intense--an anaerobic instead of aerobic workout. It's kind of a funny thing that I'm 53 now and I'm probably in better shape than I have ever been.
TheWizardofOdds wrote:Ben Reinhardt wrote:...Stamina/endurance is part of fitness...it may be judo specific. YOu can be in what you think is good shape overall, but a specific activity for which you are not so well trained.
It sounds like you are new to Judo, so that would make sense. How long have you been doing Judo?
I am new to Judo, about eleven months now.
I don't train Running or long cardio stuff, most of my training at the moment is skipping and kettlebells. I'm trying to put together a Judo specific training regime. I've had a pull-up bar for years, I think I'll dig that out. That should be good for strength, pulling power. I like calisthenics and have a few books on bodyweight training, again I think that should be good too.
Any thoughts?
TheWizardofOdds wrote:GregW wrote:Stamina for judo is very different from stamina for running distances. I go to the YMCA a couple of times a week during practices to do some weight training and treadmill/cross-trainer work. I mainly work on getting my target heart rate up around 130 bpm and keeping it around there for about a half-hour or so. I also do some interval training. That's how I survive randori. Intense gripfighting is a real drain on energy. Randori is much more intense--an anaerobic instead of aerobic workout. It's kind of a funny thing that I'm 53 now and I'm probably in better shape than I have ever been.
You're right, stamina in Judo is another thing entirely. I'm no runner, never have been. I think x-trainer work has some value though. I also do interval training with kettlebells, skipping, bodyweight exercises. I think it's relevant to Judo with the stop/start nature of randori/shiai.
I have no idea about grip fighting it's a real mystery to me. I just take my usual lapel/sleeve grip and leave my opponent to theirs. That's probably why I get thrown so easily! Seriously, I do try to stop them from taking a good grip but I don't throw as soon as I have mine so it sort of negates any advantage I may have had when grip fighting. I think it's an aspect of my judo that is sorely in need of attention.
Ben Reinhardt wrote:...Yeah, at 11 months you are not very good at Judo, so even if you had great stamina you would be having trouble dealing with larger more experienced training partners.
Skipping and kettlebells? Well, nice, but you are going to need to build a cardio base, that is basic athletic conditioning 101. I'm not talking train like a marathon runner, just something to build up your cardio system. Bike riding, running, etc., then go from there. You might consult/hire a trainer to help build a program, or consult with your coach/sensei if they have any sort of qualifications outside of Judo.
Ben Reinhardt wrote:TheWizardofOdds wrote:GregW wrote:Stamina for judo is very different from stamina for running distances. I go to the YMCA a couple of times a week during practices to do some weight training and treadmill/cross-trainer work. I mainly work on getting my target heart rate up around 130 bpm and keeping it around there for about a half-hour or so. I also do some interval training. That's how I survive randori. Intense gripfighting is a real drain on energy. Randori is much more intense--an anaerobic instead of aerobic workout. It's kind of a funny thing that I'm 53 now and I'm probably in better shape than I have ever been.
You're right, stamina in Judo is another thing entirely. I'm no runner, never have been. I think x-trainer work has some value though. I also do interval training with kettlebells, skipping, bodyweight exercises. I think it's relevant to Judo with the stop/start nature of randori/shiai.
I have no idea about grip fighting it's a real mystery to me. I just take my usual lapel/sleeve grip and leave my opponent to theirs. That's probably why I get thrown so easily! Seriously, I do try to stop them from taking a good grip but I don't throw as soon as I have mine so it sort of negates any advantage I may have had when grip fighting. I think it's an aspect of my judo that is sorely in need of attention.
So, you do have a judo coach/sensei, right? Maybe you should be getting some help in class with that sort of stuff.
TheWizardofOdds wrote:Ben Reinhardt wrote:TheWizardofOdds wrote:GregW wrote:Stamina for judo is very different from stamina for running distances. I go to the YMCA a couple of times a week during practices to do some weight training and treadmill/cross-trainer work. I mainly work on getting my target heart rate up around 130 bpm and keeping it around there for about a half-hour or so. I also do some interval training. That's how I survive randori. Intense gripfighting is a real drain on energy. Randori is much more intense--an anaerobic instead of aerobic workout. It's kind of a funny thing that I'm 53 now and I'm probably in better shape than I have ever been.
You're right, stamina in Judo is another thing entirely. I'm no runner, never have been. I think x-trainer work has some value though. I also do interval training with kettlebells, skipping, bodyweight exercises. I think it's relevant to Judo with the stop/start nature of randori/shiai.
I have no idea about grip fighting it's a real mystery to me. I just take my usual lapel/sleeve grip and leave my opponent to theirs. That's probably why I get thrown so easily! Seriously, I do try to stop them from taking a good grip but I don't throw as soon as I have mine so it sort of negates any advantage I may have had when grip fighting. I think it's an aspect of my judo that is sorely in need of attention.
So, you do have a judo coach/sensei, right? Maybe you should be getting some help in class with that sort of stuff.
Yes, I have a Sensei and Instructor. We don't really work on grips an awful lot. The training is excellent, every class is different and I always learn something new. I'll ask them about grip fighting this week.
judoratt wrote:TheWizardofOdds wrote:Ben Reinhardt wrote:TheWizardofOdds wrote:GregW wrote:Stamina for judo is very different from stamina for running distances. I go to the YMCA a couple of times a week during practices to do some weight training and treadmill/cross-trainer work. I mainly work on getting my target heart rate up around 130 bpm and keeping it around there for about a half-hour or so. I also do some interval training. That's how I survive randori. Intense gripfighting is a real drain on energy. Randori is much more intense--an anaerobic instead of aerobic workout. It's kind of a funny thing that I'm 53 now and I'm probably in better shape than I have ever been.
You're right, stamina in Judo is another thing entirely. I'm no runner, never have been. I think x-trainer work has some value though. I also do interval training with kettlebells, skipping, bodyweight exercises. I think it's relevant to Judo with the stop/start nature of randori/shiai.
I have no idea about grip fighting it's a real mystery to me. I just take my usual lapel/sleeve grip and leave my opponent to theirs. That's probably why I get thrown so easily! Seriously, I do try to stop them from taking a good grip but I don't throw as soon as I have mine so it sort of negates any advantage I may have had when grip fighting. I think it's an aspect of my judo that is sorely in need of attention.
So, you do have a judo coach/sensei, right? Maybe you should be getting some help in class with that sort of stuff.
Yes, I have a Sensei and Instructor. We don't really work on grips an awful lot. The training is excellent, every class is different and I always learn something new. I'll ask them about grip fighting this week.
Mr wizzard,
I would stay away from grip fighting at this point, it is probably why your coach/sensei hasn't worked on them much. One of the best things you could do is work on proper gripping, it will save you energy and make all your judo more effective. I spend almost half of my time correcting gripping problems with my players at all levels.
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