Fritz wrote:Hallo Mike,Hanon wrote:Fritz wrote:Beside of sodo's opinion regarding atemi, i think its not a bad idea
to think from time to time during ne-waza about
what could happen if the opponent would strike and kick...
(There are some BJJ videos somewhere, dealing with this topic...)
I think it then becomes MMA?
is not Judo a good example of MMA? Did not Kano "mix" several martial arts together? ;-)
My point here was this:
Shiai ist part of Judo, to protect the participants there are rules, so some behaviours will be forbidden.
But what could be the reason, that shiai is necessary at the background,
that Kano spoke about the first level of Judo in terms of "defence against attack" and "fighting in earnest" - as we can read it in the atemi thread?
In my opinion shiai should be a safe "simulation" of the real fight.
But according to the restrictions by the rule set regarding the dangerous/unhealthy techniques now it will be possible to show behaviours which would be
"in real" perhaps deadly for oneself.
E.g. Being thrown done and going into turtle or flat on stomach position - according to the rules
- fine - referee stops fight and restarts - but in real? Okay i dont need to elaborate further, there are lots of cruel videos in the net...
For some of this "bad" (in context of reality) behaviours there are rules to condemn them but its a recursive problem and not for all situations its possible to have a rule...
So its our own responsibility what and how we train and teach.
For instance i try to teach my students to avoid the turtle and instead pulling guard if below... (emphasis is on "try" ;-) ) Maybe the turtling is a
typical german problem, i dont know...
My opinion is, if someone studies Judo seriously, then its necessary to think about the meaning and implications of rules, tactics, techniques
and so on.
And if some stuff would be dangerous for oneself if tried outside the safe dojo, then it could be no judo, because first level of judo is ...
And i have an anecdote:
Some time ago i wanted to show some transition from an Osae-Komi to something else - armlock or choke - i don't know anymore...
And i showed and talked about the keypoints and i was just saying: Take care about his (free) hand (or was it the knee?) it could be
dangerous to you if he would strike and wanted to show how to avoid the danger
- just in this moment my uke does the move (by accident) and i got headaches... ;-)
Could I ask you to paste and copy this and start a new thread. This thread is now so distorted its impossible to answer a question as there are so many subjects covered and justice cant be done to any of them. I would also imagine the OP is unhappy to see his thread so diverted?