Ricebale wrote:No probs
Okay. Sorry it has taken me so long to reply I am sorry to say I simply couldn't find the thread
May I suggest a few things to you, things I call basic principles in ne waza? I have no idea what you know about judo so please forgive me if I am preaching to the converted?
1)Stand up and hold a cannon ball in your one hand!
If you hold the canon ball to your chest you can manage the 6kilo without pain nor strain. Now slowly take your hand away from your body and what happens? The cannon ball starts to feel heavier and heavier 'till we reach a point our arm drops and we drop the canon ball.
What is this in terms of bio mechanics? The further away ones hands are taken from the body the weaker they become.
Hang on I a getting there.
2) When we talk of weight in relation to ne waza IF we accept the most effective way to hold an uke is with our weight on top of him let us take this notion to the full point. Uke lies down and tori sits on ukes chest in anza. This should be 100% effective IF the notion of weight as you write is used. How does uke escape? Uke jus tilts to one side and tori will fall off.
With number 2) in mind it is something else then other than weight on top of uke?
3) Where should the weight of tori be for the maximum effect of an immobilisation? Lets think about this. Have uke lie down now tori passes around the top of uke and 'just' holds (imobilises) the head and one arm only of uke in a kuzure kami shiho gatame. I would guess that 95% of toris weight is distributed on the floor well above the head of uke.
4) For uke to escape this kazure kami shihao gatame uke HAS to stretch his arms away from his body, he has to extend his hands well above his head to grasp tori. We have already established what happens to our strength when we take the hands away from the core of our trunk, they become weaker.
The weight in ne waza should really be on the floor or at least the vast majority of it AND as far away from the COG of uke as possible.
5) If this is the case how the heck DO we pin an active fighting uke? Seems a hopeless case
What expert judoka do is to not place their weight onto an uke but keep their weight on the floor then wrap a part of uke up using their arms AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THEIR OWN BODIES. Tori does not try and use his weight to obtain a submission but tori will squeeze his uke in relation to the breathing of ukes breathing. Each time uke breaths out tori applies more torque and pushes him more to his body not takes his body to uke. Its about crushing NOT merely holding.
6) The body of tori needs to be as soft as putty, much like water, relaxed. Ask an uke to lie down then place an obi across his body. If uke touches one part that contact may have an effect on a certain part of the obi but will not affect it all. Now use a broom handle. If uke just touches any one part of that broom handle the whole handle is affected.
Torque in certain techniques like the kesa gatame family are vital. Weight must be kept on the floor, tori must not just lie embracing uke but applying the technique making it as uncomfortable for uke as possible. I DO NOT mean applying pressure to the spine.
Tate shiho gatame is the exception to the rule and I cannot explain the principle of this unique waza here.
In general fight like water, weight on the floor trying to nullify the strength of an uke by making his stretch his arms so he is weak. Tori needs to keep his hands as close to his body as possible so tori is strong.
The use of hands for tori is paramount, a good grip then pull uke into the vice. I am rather past my sell by date for judo but even to this day I can obtain submissions on much younger stronger partners by the correct use of technique on the floor.
The master of this is Awazu sensei in France. Small in height, built like a brick toilet, hands like vices and skilled in knowing where to place his weight and how to stop an uke from breathing.
One minute on a tatami I could show you this, its so difficult to explain in written form.
Second point. The taller your partner is the greater the advantage he SHOULD have over one IF he knows how to use it. Tell me, in his day WHO was going to beat Geesink on the floor? When he stretched out his feet where 6' from ukes body and Geesink's COG a staggering half metre away. How could one lift or get under that? That is why I mentioned Kaminaga Akio. Height does matter on the floor.
Food for thought.