NBK wrote:You're unlikely to kick any doors in with that - perhaps you meant 'close any doors'.Cichorei Kano wrote:Udon wrote:Jonesy, I am in complete agreement with your post re the scope of Kodokan judo not being determined by the IJF. I wish someone from the Kodokan would step up and say the same thing.
Not wanting to kick in any open doors, but the Kôdôkan these days is hardly in pursuit Kôdôkan jûdô. They already let that slip as soon as they started brokering deals with the SCAP post World War-II. Many distinguished Japanese sensei who are not employees of the Kôdôkan and even some of the nonagenarian sensei at the Kôdôkan who can't perform anymore themselves feel pretty desperate about their successors. These "young people" ('young' includes some who are past 60 !) obviously still know how to perform this and that throw very decently, but for the rest they no no longer have the intellectual knowledge and insights that someone like Daigo does. When the current generation of 10th dan-holders passes away, the Kôdôkan would better change its name into 'Kareki' 枯木. 'Kareki' means 'Deadwood'.
The Kodokan never negotiated with SCAP. Unlike the nuttiness of the Iraq invasion, when the entire government was dismantled, SCAP left the Japanese government largely intact. The Japanese ran the country with close scrutiny from SCAP, so the Kodokan appealed to the Ministry of Education. I do have a copy of the letter sent SCAP asking to allow judo training in school; while kendo organized a huge writing campaign with lots of senior support, judo seemingly only had a small one.
It will survive but not as Kano shihan envisioned it. It has never become what he really wanted, but gets farther away by the year.
There is a relatively steady state of a type of jacketed stand up wrestling that was enacted post WWII that chugs along. The relatively small changes since then pale in comparison to the changes made from the early 1900's through 1945.
As for the next generation, didn't Daigo sensei himself admit he had not much interest in kata and history when younger? One hopes that some will step up.
I think I meant "kick in open doors" as I would image, would hope even, that what I am saying is not unknown. (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091125194718AAiPsIG)
I was mainly referring to the Kôdôkan's increasing sportification and loss of martial arts character to avoid provoking the SCAP. Much of the news and relevant correspondence has been retained by Joe Svinth in some of his articles, such as:
He also addresses some of that in the martial arts encyclopedia to which you contributed, I believe.
No doubt the changes in judo were large between 1900 and 1945, and probably even larger between 1882-1918 largely because in the beginning years unlike what is often suggested there really did not exist any judo. Thus the thing was still in its creation phase with building out the curriculum and the many changes of location of the Kôdôkan dôjô, the initiation of a women's program, etc, etc. But much of what happened, happened in an environment of people who were rooted in martial arts. Many of the big names of the Kôdôkan had extensive roots in koryû. If jûdô today was mostly practiced by people with koryû past I bet it would be quite different. For one, they would know how to hold a sword and how to walk. How many people in the IJF have a koryû past ? Do they even know what the word means ? How many people at the current Kôdôkan have a koryû past ?
Daigo had admitted what I think is logical, namely that he did not have a lot of interest in the deeper things of judo when he was preparing for the All Japan Champions. We are speaking 1948-1952 when he was was 22-26 years old. This was mostly in reference to Nagaoka who died in 1952, when Daigo was 26 years old. Let's not forget though that for the next 30 years he was still surrounded by people like Samura, Mifune, Kudô, Kotani, Takata and some of the greatest jûdô historians like Kuhara and Oimatsu. There is extensive documentation of Daigo performing as uke in numerous displays. Today, even if you sleep, eat, drink, and shit at the Kôdôkan you are hardly going to be immersed in historic knowhow and okuden. The lecturing part of jûdô today is nonexistent, and apart from some elderly gentlemen you don't exactly see youngsters or Kôdôkan instructors sitting down with Daigo discussing things beyond the mechanics of jûdô.
The living resources at the Kôdôkan are not 'used' in an academic sense. At best, they are 'worshiped' or revered from a distance, but not used. One's understanding of jûdô is not going to improve from giving presents to Daigo and Cie, from making spring-knife like bows and from posing on pictures with Daigo. If anything, it is going to improve from having heated discussions, from asking for corrections, from challenging views, from scrutinizing and offering counter-evidence, basically from everything that reflects true academic discourse. This evidently applies to both Japanese and Westerners, but if one's Japanese vocabulary barely exceeds 'konnichi wa' and 'arigato' then that isn't the best way to start although nothing prevents anyone from summoning Matsumoto or Murata as 同輩中の首 or Kodokan Google Translate v. 1.0. It's all possible, but one has to grab the bull by the horns and actually do it. One isn't going to get there by in 10 years showing a picture to others and saying "look, this is me with Daigo-sensei". The problem is even more tangible with the other 10th dan-holders. Daigo-sensei still teaches a kuden-group and has a couple of faithfuls following him here and there, albeit for a variety of reasons. With regard to Abe, he is completely alone, and Ôsawa according to himself has mentally quit jûdô a long time (= meaning, he says he is continuously suffering from pain and doesn't really want to be there). It is not the same by far as it was 55 years ago.
There are still pockets of serious jûdô spread throughout Japan, people with very deep understanding, but the average jûdôka has no way to know or locate these people, and unlike you, the average Western jûdô person isn't a member of the Nippon Kobudô Kyôkai. How many Western jûdôka do you know who, for example, went to study with Professor Tôdô to enhance their understanding of budô background ? They don't know or have no ambition or a're not interested in that. The mechanics, a piece of paper from the Kôdôkan with kanji scribbled on it it and a couple of pictures with someone wearing a red belt is all that is necessary to impress peers and low-ranks at the home front.