Thank you,
Andy
Where do you get the idea that there would exist something like "the official dimensions of the red and white panels are" ?NavyRN wrote:I need some help. I have a friend that has a kimono company, and we are trying to produce the Kohaku obi. Can anyone tell me what the official dimensions of the red and white panels are? I greatly appreciate your help.
Thank you,
Andy
I see.NavyRN wrote:There are always standards for everything.
To some extent. The IJF prescribes the as part of the refereeing rules a number of conditions a gi needs to meet in order to be approved for participating in IJF-organized championships and tournaments.NavyRN wrote:The IJF dictates the dimensions of the Gi and the belt,
that's a big market.NavyRN wrote:I need some help. I have a friend that has a kimono company, and we are trying to produce the Kohaku obi. Can anyone tell me what the official dimensions of the red and white panels are? I greatly appreciate your help.
Thank you,
Andy
Of course one can find samples however, a legitimate company would conduct research to ensure that the obi is being manufactured correctly. I came here with a legitimate question and for help from our community, not condescending, snide comments. These type of comments are why the old forums fizzled out.NBK wrote:It's hard to imagine a 'kimono maker' that can't find samples - I could source them for a fee.
They are all different. I have just measured a DanRho one and the panels are 12cm and that is a bigger size than 5.5. Generally though, the longer the belt. The longer the panels.NavyRN wrote:Of course one can find samples however, a legitimate company would conduct research to ensure that the obi is being manufactured correctly. I came here with a legitimate question and for help from our community, not condescending, snide comments. These type of comments are why the old forums fizzled out.NBK wrote:It's hard to imagine a 'kimono maker' that can't find samples - I could source them for a fee.
Cichorei Kano,
I get what you're saying about the IJF. I have read the entire IJF regulations with regards to the Gi and Obi. I was using that as a rough reference. My whole point is, there has to be some standard to the Kohaku Obi otherwise, every belt would be different, and I find that difficult to accept.
Thank you for your input Jonesy, Emanuele2, and Contrarian.
It is not because you 'personally' believe that this is a problem, and because you 'personally' believe that difficult to accept that anyone else finds that this is a problem or difficult to accept. I don't and none of my teachers in the past either in the West or in Japan or any other kohaku-belt holder I have met finds that this is a problem unless they are FFJDA members. The FFJDA has standards because within the FFJDA the length of the panels is different for 6th than it is for 7th or 8th dan. This is obviously nonsense, but the French in everything they do, be it professional or whatever are very keen on titles and hierarchical difference. Multinational companies doing in business in France and having offices in France know this or should know this.NavyRN wrote:
Cichorei Kano,
I get what you're saying about the IJF. I have read the entire IJF regulations with regards to the Gi and Obi. I was using that as a rough reference. My whole point is, there has to be some standard to the Kohaku Obi otherwise, every belt would be different, and I find that difficult to accept.
Nycuk, nyuck, nyuck!!! the knife slides between the ribs, then leaves, unnoticed but for the growing trail of blood....contrarian wrote:that's a big market.NavyRN wrote:I need some help. I have a friend that has a kimono company, and we are trying to produce the Kohaku obi. Can anyone tell me what the official dimensions of the red and white panels are? I greatly appreciate your help.
Thank you,
Andy
good luck.
Snideness aside, the revisionist notion that I single handedly brought down the old forum, sold out to an internet company then made inaccessible by software problems and neglect, is a great laugh. I may put it on my resume.NavyRN wrote:Of course one can find samples however, a legitimate company would conduct research to ensure that the obi is being manufactured correctly. I came here with a legitimate question and for help from our community, not condescending, snide comments. These type of comments are why the old forums fizzled out.NBK wrote:It's hard to imagine a 'kimono maker' that can't find samples - I could source them for a fee.
Cichorei Kano,
I get what you're saying about the IJF. I have read the entire IJF regulations with regards to the Gi and Obi. I was using that as a rough reference. My whole point is, there has to be some standard to the Kohaku Obi otherwise, every belt would be different, and I find that difficult to accept.
Thank you for your input Jonesy, Emanuele2, and Contrarian.
The French can be even nuttier than I had thought. When I read this, I wonder how in the world such developed. Is some judo fashion god in Paris of who we should know, somehow offended by a rash of prior uneven belt blocks? Do Chanel or Dior provide the French national team coaches' kohaku obi?Cichorei Kano wrote:It is not because you 'personally' believe that this is a problem, and because you 'personally' believe that difficult to accept that anyone else finds that this is a problem or difficult to accept. I don't and none of my teachers in the past either in the West or in Japan or any other kohaku-belt holder I have met finds that this is a problem unless they are FFJDA members. ____The FFJDA has standards because within the FFJDA the length of the panels is different for 6th than it is for 7th or 8th dan._____ This is obviously nonsense, but the French in everything they do, be it professional or whatever are very keen on titles and hierarchical difference. Multinational companies doing in business in France and having offices in France know this or should know this.NavyRN wrote:
Cichorei Kano,
I get what you're saying about the IJF. I have read the entire IJF regulations with regards to the Gi and Obi. I was using that as a rough reference. My whole point is, there has to be some standard to the Kohaku Obi otherwise, every belt would be different, and I find that difficult to accept.
Within the FFJDA the standards for red- and white belt, rather than kohaku obi called "shima obi" there, are:
- 6th dan: 3 meters long with 20 cm panels
- 7th dan: 3 meters long with 15 cm panels
- 8th dan: 3 meters long with 10 cm panels
.....
Nothing more I can do to help you. That's all there is. Good luck !
Beware: no good deed goes unpunished....NavyRN wrote:Thanks for the input... I know that I may have come across as being a big supporter of the IJF, but in reality, I'm not that big of a fan. I feel that they are doing more to hurt the art than to help it, but that's for another discussion. I was just using it as a very loose reference. Now that there clearly isn't a set standard, I'll relay this info to my buddy, and we can move ahead with production.
BTW,
This all came about because I want to have special, customized belts for my two Sensei (Rokudan and Hachidan) as Christmas presents. Anyway, thanks again for all of the input.
Cheers,
Andy
Kataaro will make it however you like, just tell them, give dimensions, etc..DougNZ wrote:I have a kohaku belt from Kataaro.com, which has 10" panels with 14" ends (they have since started producing a 5" panel belt). I also have a custom-made kohaku belt with 2" panels. Pretty much anything in between will suffice!
I received the Kataaro belt before the other, which means, by French standards, I must be regressing!!!
NBK,NBK wrote:Nycuk, nyuck, nyuck!!! the knife slides between the ribs, then leaves, unnoticed but for the growing trail of blood....contrarian wrote:that's a big market.NavyRN wrote:I need some help. I have a friend that has a kimono company, and we are trying to produce the Kohaku obi. Can anyone tell me what the official dimensions of the red and white panels are? I greatly appreciate your help.
Thank you,
Andy
good luck.Snideness aside, the revisionist notion that I single handedly brought down the old forum, sold out to an internet company then made inaccessible by software problems and neglect, is a great laugh. I may put it on my resume.NavyRN wrote:Of course one can find samples however, a legitimate company would conduct research to ensure that the obi is being manufactured correctly. I came here with a legitimate question and for help from our community, not condescending, snide comments. These type of comments are why the old forums fizzled out.NBK wrote:It's hard to imagine a 'kimono maker' that can't find samples - I could source them for a fee.
Cichorei Kano,
I get what you're saying about the IJF. I have read the entire IJF regulations with regards to the Gi and Obi. I was using that as a rough reference. My whole point is, there has to be some standard to the Kohaku Obi otherwise, every belt would be different, and I find that difficult to accept.
Thank you for your input Jonesy, Emanuele2, and Contrarian.
I made a serious offer to help that would cost me time and effort to get them to you in Florida. Maybe that's free in the Navy but outside the great socialist enterprise, there's a cost involved.
I did not question the legitimacy of your bud's company. You did.
Every company's kohaku obi is different; why is that so hard to understand? In fact, I'd bet that every contract run by sweatshops all over Asia produces belts that are slightly different. There is simply not a precise standard.The French can be even nuttier than I had thought. When I read this, I wonder how in the world such developed. Is some judo fashion god in Paris of who we should know, somehow offended by a rash of prior uneven belt blocks? Do Chanel or Dior provide the French national team coaches' kohaku obi?Cichorei Kano wrote:It is not because you 'personally' believe that this is a problem, and because you 'personally' believe that difficult to accept that anyone else finds that this is a problem or difficult to accept. I don't and none of my teachers in the past either in the West or in Japan or any other kohaku-belt holder I have met finds that this is a problem unless they are FFJDA members. ____The FFJDA has standards because within the FFJDA the length of the panels is different for 6th than it is for 7th or 8th dan._____ This is obviously nonsense, but the French in everything they do, be it professional or whatever are very keen on titles and hierarchical difference. Multinational companies doing in business in France and having offices in France know this or should know this.NavyRN wrote:
Cichorei Kano,
I get what you're saying about the IJF. I have read the entire IJF regulations with regards to the Gi and Obi. I was using that as a rough reference. My whole point is, there has to be some standard to the Kohaku Obi otherwise, every belt would be different, and I find that difficult to accept.
Within the FFJDA the standards for red- and white belt, rather than kohaku obi called "shima obi" there, are:
- 6th dan: 3 meters long with 20 cm panels
- 7th dan: 3 meters long with 15 cm panels
- 8th dan: 3 meters long with 10 cm panels
.....
Nothing more I can do to help you. That's all there is. Good luck !
Perhaps we should employ the Golden Mean - that should give us an approximation of how innate taste compares to common usage, a rough measure of What Looks Right. I would bet that the current usage is very close.Beware: no good deed goes unpunished....NavyRN wrote:Thanks for the input... I know that I may have come across as being a big supporter of the IJF, but in reality, I'm not that big of a fan. I feel that they are doing more to hurt the art than to help it, but that's for another discussion. I was just using it as a very loose reference. Now that there clearly isn't a set standard, I'll relay this info to my buddy, and we can move ahead with production.
BTW,
This all came about because I want to have special, customized belts for my two Sensei (Rokudan and Hachidan) as Christmas presents. Anyway, thanks again for all of the input.
Cheers,
Andy
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