Stacey wrote:Dude, it's been a rule of every dojo I've ever been to. It's been a rule of the IJF since before there was a chewie (do you know what that was?),
No, actually at first I wasn't sure what you were talking about -- gum? Star Wars? Ahhh ... you're trying to write about the 'chui' penalty I presume?
back when they allowed leg locks, and probably before.
um, the IJF has never
allowed leg locks, what are you thinking? If you're trying to reference the earliest Kodokan rules, then yes of course, I agree, they weren't made with consideration to any modern safety technology. Hard ear protection like millions of wrestlers use, and the polycarbonate lenses, place, and elastic strapping of these googles would take another 100 years or so to be invented, so that's not too surprising, really.
Still, I get the message, you value highly all the guidance passed down from the earliest days of Judo. I'm curious -- you would stick with the tradition of white stripes on women's belts too, right? After all, even for something as important as the possibility of improving eye safety, you won't consider experimenting or changing a traditional dojo rule like this 'hard objects' one.
Stacey wrote:the assumptions I've made are practical. If you've ever had an offset hit or bump while wearing sports goggles in any sport that allows them, you know that anything that twists them will cause you, the wearer, a ton of damage.
Did you fail to watch the video I provided, of a high level successful wrestler wearing goggles? Did you fail to read the blog of the BJJ'er who has done the same? Did you fail to read when I said I've heard from several other grapplers who have _done_ it, and NOT seen injury to themselves or others?
Your assumptions & your statements in this thread of which I'm talking of - all of which are wrong, and several rather insulting to me - that:
- i don't value my training partners
- i don't value my own eyes,
- no grapplers would ever wear eye protection
- wearing eye protection damages yourself
- wearing eye protection damages others
- i 'fail to grasp no hard objects' rule
- there is no safe way to wear corrective lenses while playing Judo
- you'll never even see other grapplers wearing eye protection
I'll also note the number of people who've responded with their own experiences. I note that NOBODY has offered a link or an opinion about the eyewear they wear.
yes, so what? This is because wearing eyewear when grappling is very rare, it's a fringe activity that most of us have never seen, or even known was possible. It's just hypothetical for most of us, and you only consider such a thing when you're unlucky enough to suffer an eye injury.
I wouldn't waste my money on them just to find out nobody will work with you while you're wearing them - but then, we're talking generation upon generation of judoka bowing to the IJF. YOU use your common sense, buy a set of goggles, and see what the response is.
You think one will want to work with me if i have hard eye protection? The closest I've come is occasionally wearing (hard!) wrestling ear-guards to Judo, when i've had a bad cauliflower flareup. At those times, as normal, I have a lineup of Judoka wanting to work with me. I'm a great uke, and my club-mates all feel lucky to have me training there, even if I have my health problems that make me deviate from the 'normal' practitioner you would seem to prefer. I expect it'll be the same with eye protection, if it turns out they are safe enough to use for all concerned. Going by the experience of BJJ'ers and wrestlers (pretty much as close as a Judo-like context as you can get) it's looking good. As to a waste of money -- well, we're talking $30 or so, and less on ebay, so I'm not worried.
anyway thanks for the debate, it has been fun and fiery i must admit :-) i really need to get some work done, but i'll check back later.