heikojr wrote:I was teaching Ju-no-kata last night and noticed that one of the students who normally has no problems learning kata, could not remember the techniques.
This made me think back to when i was first taught ju-no-kata. Everything was a mess. I remember that i could not understand any of the techniques let alone remember them! As i was thinking about this, i thought that when i see ju-no-kata, i see a long string. I mean that i see the techniques, but they are one long movement all connected, while other kata i see each technique (nage-no-kata, for example, i see 15 throws right and left).
Has anyone else had this experience?
Not sure this is an answer to your question, but I see distinctively different patterns in the average judo student today when compared to myself and friends many decades ago. Even before I had learnt certain techniques I would be studying ahead. I had two little judo books and was fascinated by everything in it, trying to memorize names and order of techniques. I now see brown belts who each time they come to practice and you ask them a simply kansetsu-waza, shime-waza or even osea-komi, each time they start by "Oh God, what's that again ?". If you ask them a turnover, each time they do one or two basic ones and then have to ask someone else if they know any others. You have to know that we have seen dozens, from fairly straigthforward to complicated, no doubt. Not in the least that I expect them to know them all, but I do expect them to now at least 3 or 4 others. They come to practice and somehow have adopted a view that practice means that you succeed in once being able to do what the teacher did, without realizing that unless you try out these techniques in randori on several occasions with different partners till you know where your weaknesses are, how you have to shift your weight, how much power you can withstand, etc, you will never not only know them but probably also not remember them.
Anyhow, if this is how most students are in judo, then how can it be different than not remembering ?
Besides, ju-no-kata is a special case. Nage- en katame- en even kime, move nicely on one axis. You know where your jury is and you know what side of your shoulders each time needs to be to the jury. But ju-no-kata, the constant twists and turns make it a very confusing kata to teach or learn, unless you constantly build in reference points and clarify its structure. But that structure is not easy. Even after each series, there is not the same degree of clear interruption and returning to initial places allowing you to start all over. Koshiki-no-kata is very complicated too as far as that is concerned, only, by the time one does koshiki-no-kata one is so much further experienced and at ease with judo that one simply has a much stronger foundation than when a student is starting with ju-no-kata.
I know a number of professors of music who have been retired for a decade or so. They find it extremely difficult to teach music today, because no student even remotely puts in the same time as they used to. 60 years ago there was not TV and most of the distractions that exist today. People could focus on studying, and the study itself was fascinating in a sense. Today, kids can't and even adults can barely really focus on anything constantly obsessed by their SMS, phone, iPhone and other little gadgets which rule their life.