Steve Leadbeater wrote:
Cichorei Kano wrote:
Steve Leadbeater wrote:I believe the prizes were Cash/Cheques,
Thus negating any Amateur Status.
Which elite judoka in 2013 still has "Amateur Status" ? This is 2013, no 1960.
I know this is 2013 CK Sensei, however Aussie Judoka do not have the benefit of big time corporate sponsorship and fulltime training venues, thus still "technically", if not in reality, an "Amateur Status"
That may very well be true, but there is no requirement to earn 'lots of money' or 'professional sponsorship' before being considered a professional rather than an amateur. A 70-year old judo instructor whose job is judo instructor and who barely earn his bread on the table is not an amateur. Most judoka, even many international elite judoka may not have corporate sponsorship, but they may have a formula where their employer is a government agency and their employment contract is a special "elite sporter contract" that was created especially for elite athletes. So there is no private company involved but they also do not have to go to work everyday to a standard company or institution but instead it is the purpose of their contract to facilitate their ability to combine elite sport with something that ensures a regular income. It seems to me that the ACE and other programs in Australia have also been developed with that kind of goal in mind: http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/athlete_career_and_education
However, you obviously know the Australian situation much better than I and as you seem to suggest it may very well be that the people you have in mind (I do not know them) are not so fortunate to benefit from this. For that reason, let me clarify why I responded to this thread though I had so far stayed out of it.. You made a reference to the Kodokan. It was not clear from your post if you were talking about perhaps certain Australian internal regulations for Kodokan recommendation. In any case, I wanted to point out that since long the Kodokan could not really do anymore what it did to Kimura because of involvement in professional contests. Today even several people with Kodokan ranks and membership are active competitors in sports such as BJJ and MMA. Even though in the case of Ishii, there was some wrangling with regard to his judo future, clearly there is no restriction in case he wanted to come back. Moreover, others such as Komuro are even less bothered by the Kodokan, and Komuro is even an instructor at the Kodokan despite his participation in BJJ contests, production of commercial videos and other activities that one could hard call merely 'amateur'. For that reason, pointing out that it is 2013 and not 1960 is not meant as a sneer, but very seriously in a sense that the Kodokan simply has to evolve with its time and could not possibly interpret or apply certain things with the same level of strictness as it did 50 years ago or it would serious burn its own fingers. Specifically, the Kodokan today is not going to bother about your or anyone else's amateur or professional status with regard to promotion. There is not even any question in that sense on any of the Japanese applications for Kodokan rank. In fact there are people, although a small minority, who have established fame in Japan as professional adult actors/actresses with their judo credential being an important factor in the market they are aiming for and they hold and have received Kodokan ranks, so the fact that someone would accept a check for whatever amount of Assie dollars for a win or medal at a judo tournament is going to be the least concern of the Kodokan ... the one in Japan at least.
Last edited by Cichorei Kano on Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:30 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : correction of typos & word order error)